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Re: Apple Vision

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Post by layer8 »

keiferski wrote: post #62

Am I the only one that is surprised they went with the "all in the glasses" design? (Minus the exterior battery and cable.) I was expecting an extremely lightweight pair of glasses that wirelessly connects with a stationary device that provides most of the computing power for the VR/AR. That device could even be the new generation of iPhones... The design as-is looks better than 95% of other headsets, but still strik…

The tech isn’t there for “just glasses”. You need motorized optics, sensors to measure your eye movements, and a dozen cameras to capture your surroundings, hand movements, etc. Also, image processing in a separate device might increase the AR pass-through latency, which allegedly they got down to 12 ms.

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Post by lm28469 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #93
aqme28 wrote: post #34

All these "relive your memory" videos are incredibly awkward, because of how downright sad it is to strap this on your head during your kid's birthday just to relive it on repeat like Tom Cruise in Minority Report. The real usecase is porn, but they're too tactful to say it.

If you go to any concert or other public event, half of the audience will be recording on their smartphone instead of watching. I do not see any reason why an iphone of tomorrow won’t have a 3D camera to record and share any important moments the same way as we do it now. There will be the time when we will watch dashcam and drone videos of car crashes, natural disasters and soldiers dying on battlefield sitting on a…

But is this really what we want ? Do we want to encourage people to do even more of that ?

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by azinman2 »

samwillis wrote: post #137
YA_Scratch wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Almost identical demoes" I doubt it.

Unless someone can confirm otherwise I assume all the demo videos are composited "mock-ups" and not shot through a vision device. They are incredibly similar to all the demo videos from Magic Leap.

The device is very real.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by d3nj4l »

samwillis wrote: post #137
YA_Scratch wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Almost identical demoes" I doubt it.

Unless someone can confirm otherwise I assume all the demo videos are composited "mock-ups" and not shot through a vision device. They are incredibly similar to all the demo videos from Magic Leap.

This article is literally from a person who used the device???

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by fotta »

xrisk wrote: post #167
_gabe_ wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something. I have no idea how much of the footage in the long advertisements are actual in-headset recording vs highly editorialized made up aspirational CG. Additionally, I really don't think all the people here singing the praises of Apple's currently nonexistent headset (for actual customer use at least until 2024 or something) have ever used a headset. Headsets giv…

This TechCrunch review where the reviewer had access to them says that the issues with headaches/nausea don’t happen: https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/05/first-impressions-yes-appl...

I’d like to see how they stand up for longer than a 30 minute demo. For me, the headache doesn’t kick in until about 90 minutes in.

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Post by soylentcola »

bigwheeler wrote: post #37
nynx wrote: post #2

> It really is one of the best product names in Apple history: Vision is a description of a product, it is an aspiration for a use case, and it is a critique on the sort of society we are building, behind Apple’s leadership more than anyone else. I agree that “Vision” is a good product name, but “Vision Pro” just feels intensely pedestrian. Why is it called “Pro?” Is there a non-Pro version?

I forgot that Apple was having an event yesterday, and when I saw “Apple Vision Pro“ in headlines everywhere, my first thought was that they were opening an eyeglass store…

Well, if you normally wear glasses, you will need to order special Zeiss lenses to use the Vision Pro.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by soylentcola »

sanitycheck wrote: post #14
nynx wrote: post #2

> It really is one of the best product names in Apple history: Vision is a description of a product, it is an aspiration for a use case, and it is a critique on the sort of society we are building, behind Apple’s leadership more than anyone else. I agree that “Vision” is a good product name, but “Vision Pro” just feels intensely pedestrian. Why is it called “Pro?” Is there a non-Pro version?

It seems lazy to me, do a Google search for "Vision Pro", excluding results from the past couple of days, and it seems there were already a ton of products and services with the same name. Perfect time to bring back the "i", though they already have "iSight". "iBorg"?

iGlasses, obviously.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by bufferoverflow »

screye wrote: post #189

Now I am a lowly programmer + VR enthusiast, so my opinion does not count. But, how do big companies allow Apple to get away with such easy wins !?? Apple said : "We are going to throw infinite money at a pilot product that's basically a tech demo, and convince the market that this tech is for-real-for-real." Meanwhile, Facebook refused to create a balls-to-the-wall VR headset for years and still ended up with a cons…

$3500 + tax device won't scale. It's not something that most people have a budget for.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by zild3d »

justin66 wrote: post #152
rsynnott wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Pro", in AppleSpeak, means "the expensive one". They've actually done this before; the MacBook Pro (first Intel Mac) launched some time before the MacBook (first consumer-oriented Intel Mac). This feels like fairly clear signalling that there'll be a cheaper more consumer-oriented one along later.

Apple's problem is that the "pro" version is not just twice as expensive as the "consumer" version needs to be in order to be a market success, it's ten times more expensive than the consumer version needs to be. edit: the fanatics are really out with the downvotes today

That's not Apple's problem, that's the budget conscious consumer's problem

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by neom »

screye wrote: post #189

Now I am a lowly programmer + VR enthusiast, so my opinion does not count. But, how do big companies allow Apple to get away with such easy wins !?? Apple said : "We are going to throw infinite money at a pilot product that's basically a tech demo, and convince the market that this tech is for-real-for-real." Meanwhile, Facebook refused to create a balls-to-the-wall VR headset for years and still ended up with a cons…

Apple seems to have two modes they do quite well, create tomorrow, refine today (as it pertains to technology/personal computing).

Some % of the company seems to be focused on extremely polished loooonngg term second market mover advantage of bleeding edge tech, and some % of the company seems to be focused on continuous improvement of what exists today.

Apple does a great job of working on cutting edge technology that is generally applicable, watching other companies implement that technology, and then leap frogging them. At the same time, they improve their current offerings and "future focused groups" learn from what "current focused groups" are doing. I guess it's why you see fits and starts from Apple.

Has Apple every introduced anything totally new? Has Apple really "invented" anything product wise? I think they're just masters of second market mover advantage.

This is a great blog post:

https://researchnarrative.com/thinkerry/the-company-that-cou...

"In 1979, a 24-year-old Steve Jobs struck a deal with the executives at Xerox: Jobs would allow the investment wing of Xerox to buy shares in Apple at a pre-IPO price, and in exchange Apple’s team of engineers would get to take an “open-kimono” tour of Xerox PARC. Over two visits, Apple engineers were given the ability to look under the hood of PARC’s most impressive innovations."

What a deal to strike, and at 24.

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