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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by theklr »

robear wrote: post #21
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7

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> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

In the presentation today, Apple specifically mentioned connecting to your macOS device as a seamless experience. In my opinion, this will be another "content consumption" device like an iPad that integrates with macOS devices and is not a replacement for them.

For now. I actually see them moving to this if it takes off both for battery life and computing. Them even labeling it as a spatial computer, shows there positioning this to be their future.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by matsemann »

gehsty wrote: post #216
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Safari was the killer app for the iPhone and iPad & it’s where people spend an awful lot of their time. This is a general purpose computing device, so seeing it have a great browser setup is a big deal.

Is it "general purpose", though? So far I've seen no mentions on how I or other developers can run our own stuff on it. Will it be a walled garden?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by theklr »

hxugufjfjf wrote: post #166
infairverona wrote: post #70

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Has an M2 in it, so full laptop replacement.

Its not a full laptop replacement if it doesn't come with a keyboard.

It has a virtual keyboard so it’s a replacement.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by cjlacz »

michaelt wrote: post #205
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #36

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Professional don’t buy new technology out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because there is a market to address generally business users. Yet Apple seems to be mostly positioning the Vision as an entertainment centred device targeting a large market. At this price point, it is quite surprising. I think significant questions remain at this point about their actual go-to-market strategy (unsurprisingly consid…

Personally, I don't believe the business market actually exists. I always hear people giving made up use cases like "oh, service engineers will be able to see instructions overlaid on the machines they're working on" but a paper service manual costs a lot less than a 3D augmented reality manual - and anyone who's worked with service engineers knows for any repair that's performed often enough that productivity is imp…

I have a friend that works on software and hardware for large industrial design and manufacturing. They apparently use and sell the HoloLens and it's quite useful. It's not really for showing off to clients. It can significantly reduce errors in repair.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by op00to »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

It could have a million screens, if there’s nothing good on the screens what’s the point?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by op00to »

dnh44 wrote: post #152
PostOnce wrote: post #142

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But that's silly, it can do all that and also have a killer app. I can already do all that traditional stuff on a macbook or ipad, and "have a screen anywhere", and those things are more portable because I can just sit it on the table instead of having to untangle A CABLE from my clothing and then find somewhere to place a headset that doesnt sit flat like an ipad or macbook. Then there's the fact that ipads and macb…

The 3D FaceTime with eye contact could end up being the killer app.

I don’t want to 3D FaceTime someone with $3,500 to blow on a 3D FaceTime machine.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by op00to »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #194
Gareth321 wrote: post #160

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Exactly. The Quest 2 has offered this for years and cost $300 at launch.

Theoretically yes, you can have large multiple screens on the quest 2 In reality, they are worthless, it's like looking at a CRT from 1995 At a certain point higher resolution changes how you can use it

No, you’re still just displaying traditional apps on a headset. They just look better. You still have a big dumb headset on.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by op00to »

ttul wrote: post #191
Gareth321 wrote: post #159

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This was a reported rumour prior to the reveal yesterday: no significant use case. This is a significant departure from Apple's usual MO: find a USP and NAIL the implementation. They're using a scattergun approach here and it's risky. They better be sending these headsets free of charge to thousands of studios in the hopes that some of them develop THE killer app, because this is the only way I see this succeeding. E…

I will buy it for my entire team just for the video conferencing - assuming it is actually as good as promised, of course. Anything beyond that is gravy.

What company do you work for? I want to know so I can avoid companies that waste money.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by petesergeant »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Does it need one at launch? The Apple Watch wasn't specifically a health-tracker at launch, but that's what they've really leaned into now. When they launched the iPhone, one of the most vaunted features was "Visual Voicemail", which I'm not even sure still exists?

It's a platform. It'll get cheaper, it'll get better, and developers and the market will do the rest. There's a lot of time between now and "early next year" for 3rd party devs to come up with a lot of apps and ideas.

As someone else said, this is the first release of something that'll end up the size and weight as a pair of sunglasses; at that point, I think it will be as ubiquitous as iPhones are.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by true_religion »

op00to wrote: post #225
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130

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I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

It could have a million screens, if there’s nothing good on the screens what’s the point?

Most of what I do with computers is reading browser windows.

Merely being able to do that on a nice screen is enough for me. I don’t want to or need to get directions for assembling my furniture. Heck, in real life, I like many people will just fiddle with the furniture and read no directions at all…

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