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Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by greiskul »

roqi wrote: post #159
irusensei wrote: post #98

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Brazil is not Europe. It’s not going to be some minor inconvenience like having people to take cold showers and virtual signal on the internet. There will be famine and the poorest people will die.

> Brazil is not Europe. It’s not going to be some minor inconvenience like having people to take cold showers and virtual signal on the internet. There will be famine and the poorest people will die. I don't get your point. Where do you see this fundamental difference between Brazil and Europe? Europe was highly dependant on Russia for it's energy supply, to the point that Putin was hoping to leverage that to conduct…

How many people are currently starving to death in Europe right now because they cut ties with Russia? If Brazil were to suddenly cut all Russia imports, there would be places in Brazil with actual famines.

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Post by anthk »

pelasaco wrote: post #206
anthk wrote: post #202

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Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin. Please, don't use drugs.

> Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin. Why do you think he is right? Raised and Educated in the Soviet Union, he tries to revive the soviet union, a socialist/communist dream. > Aleksander Dugin The guy that created the National Bolshevik Party, which historically defended Stalinism? > Please, don't use drugs. I don't do it, that's for communists ;)

>He tries... He tries to revive the damn Tsarist Russia, totally opposite to the Communist values. It's closer to your conservative values.

>That's for... Yeah, as cocaine for CEO's in the 70's, very commie like.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by anthk »

inglor_cz wrote: post #220
anthk wrote: post #202

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Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin. Please, don't use drugs.

During the 20th century, real-world communism (as opposed to the academic theory) always leaned on ye olde Russian imperialism, which, reincarnated under a new red flag, lent it the necessary muscle. Of course it was awkward to admit that the Communist bloc is actually an extension of the Russo-Soviet empire, so a lot of ink was spilt to recast the Russians/Soviets as liberators, bringers of peace and progress. As of…

And? Castro had a friendship on a former right wing minister from Franco's dictatorship in Spain, as they shared some of culture traits and heritage from an Atlantic region in Spain, Galicia. Binding left and right populisms together wont make Russia left-leaned. Neither with do that with China.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by nec4b »

rcarr wrote: post #212
nec4b wrote: post #208

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I don't believe you want to be enlightened by me. I suggest you try to live for a while in a country that calls itself a socialist country and then move for a while to a country which calls it self a free market capitalist country with strong social safety net. I can promise you we'll see the difference after doing this.

I lived in the UK from 1997 - 2010 when the Labour Party was in power. Guess what, the world didn't end. People were pretty happy. It was good times. As I have said in previous comments, I believe that there should be a natural oscillation between socialist policies, which involve tax and nationalisation, and capitalist policies, which involve tax cuts and privatisation. Everything should be context dependent. I thin…

>>If you have lived in a more extreme country that does not have proper democratic protections and has had an authoritarian socialist government then I'm sorry you've had to experience that.

I have and I kind of see where you coming from now. Because I would never use the word socialist for what you have in the UK, the word I would use is social. You make it sound socialist invented healthcare, transportation and education when all those things existed long before the first socialist was born. And yes ideology does matter a lot. There is a good reason why there wasn't a single successful socialist country in the world and there also a good reason why a lot of ex-socialist countries still have so many problems even after they nominally became capitalist. Value set and the ideology behind it really do matter.

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Post by jabradoodle »

pelasaco wrote: post #177
anthk wrote: post #141

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I'm from Spain. Lula it's closer to our current social-democratic goverment than communism. It just happens that you are so right-leaned that you don't even realize what are you looking at.

Please explain why. Otherwise its just the internet dude saying. We can go through the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism "Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarcho-communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian commun…

This is lazy, learn what communism is; it's not hard.

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by jabradoodle »

wolverine876 wrote: post #218
jessekv wrote: post #91

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Taking into account the most economical outcome in the short/medium term also can make your country or community poor in the long term. If you care about the future of where you live, its important to cultivate and support local industry, even when its more expensive.

> Taking into account the most economical outcome in the short/medium term also can make your country or community poor in the long term. If you care about the future of where you live, its important to cultivate and support local industry, even when its more expensive. Your solution is the short-term one, maybe not even that. In the long run, your community is much better off producing what it does best and trading…

Countries subsidise food production for reasons of national security. This is not a new or controversial idea.

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Post by storkhm »

shinjitsu wrote: post #15

An interesting take on this. Will it lead to a general increase for the Global South? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKvT7OS-lbU

I have to try to get through Guns, Germs and Steel again. Excruciating detail is a good way to put it with that book.

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Post by pelasaco »

jabradoodle wrote: post #225
pelasaco wrote: post #177

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Please explain why. Otherwise its just the internet dude saying. We can go through the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism "Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarcho-communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian commun…

This is lazy, learn what communism is; it's not hard.

it is so hard because it either doesn't work at all or people trying to implement it didn't get it right.. :)

Re: Brazil develops tropical wheat and predicts self-sufficiency in 5 years

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Post by pelasaco »

anthk wrote: post #223
inglor_cz wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the 20th century, real-world communism (as opposed to the academic theory) always leaned on ye olde Russian imperialism, which, reincarnated under a new red flag, lent it the necessary muscle. Of course it was awkward to admit that the Communist bloc is actually an extension of the Russo-Soviet empire, so a lot of ink was spilt to recast the Russians/Soviets as liberators, bringers of peace and progress. As of…

And? Castro had a friendship on a former right wing minister from Franco's dictatorship in Spain, as they shared some of culture traits and heritage from an Atlantic region in Spain, Galicia. Binding left and right populisms together wont make Russia left-leaned. Neither with do that with China.

so in your opinion its Left until it gets dirty, then its Right, and Left is something like Heaven, that people will never reach, but we should still try it over and over again? grow up.

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Post by pelasaco »

anthk wrote: post #222
pelasaco wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia. Left. With Putin. And Aleksander Dugin. Why do you think he is right? Raised and Educated in the Soviet Union, he tries to revive the soviet union, a socialist/communist dream. > Aleksander Dugin The guy that created the National Bolshevik Party, which historically defended Stalinism? > Please, don't use drugs. I don't do it, that's for communists ;)

>He tries... He tries to revive the damn Tsarist Russia, totally opposite to the Communist values. It's closer to your conservative values. >That's for... Yeah, as cocaine for CEO's in the 70's, very commie like.

Cocaine was everywhere in the 70s, but mostly the Californian CEOs in the 70s were commies.. so thats kind of inline with what I said.
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