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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by danans »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #196
paxys wrote: post #153

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100%. Automakers go on about the "dealership experience", but I have never hated my life more than when trying to by a car at a local dealership. - Had a confirmed appointment but when I showed up I still had to wait 45 minutes. - Salespeople were clueless about the features of the car they were trying to sell. I knew more after 30 minutes of online research and had to constantly call out their bullshit. - The car I…

I've heard it's even worse if you want to buy an EV. Dealerships make half their money from the service department. EV's require very little service. So they don't want to sell and EV, and it shows. Go to a Ford dealer and try to buy a Mustang Mach-E and they'll try really hard to convince you to buy an ICE Mustang. The worst dealership experience I ever had was when I was buying my first car back in 2003. I was 21 a…

> Go to a Ford dealer and try to buy a Mustang Mach-E and they'll try really hard to convince you to buy an ICE Mustang.

At least in EV-forward markets, this isn't much of a thing anymore, simply because they can't fight the fact that EVs have become the new aspirational cars.

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Post by cshimmin »

jerrysievert wrote: post #117
justrealist wrote: post #108

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> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

huh, I read that in a completely different way than you. my brain inserted an Oxford comma: > don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla became > don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car, or a Tesla since the addition of the article "a" seemed to change the meaning. had it been > don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or Tesla it would have conveyed even different meaning t…

That's not what an Oxford comma is, FYI. I think GGPs interpretation is grammatically correct but I agree that the phrasing is ambiguous. But given Tesla's documented unreliability one can assume what they meant...

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Post by speedgoose »

Mawr wrote: post #185
justrealist wrote: post #108

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> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

- "Tesla was both the least reliable but most popular EV brand in a survey of owners that found one in three of all EVs had major issues in the past year" [1] - "Electric vehicles are less reliable than gas cars, according to a survey of UK drivers." [1] - "Kia was the most reliable EV maker in the study, while Tesla was the least reliable." [1] - "Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28" [2] -…

It’s true. Luxury cars using brand new technology are less reliable that cheap and simple cars with old fashioned technologies.

The first Tesla model S were particularly not very reliable. Lot of equipments, new vertical integration from Tesla on many parts, unreliable premium technology such as air suspension…

The model 3 and y are a bit better. The electric (not hybrid) BMW i3 from the same period has been one of the most reliable BMW, a more experienced brand with ICE cars having similar equipment.

If you wanted reliability in 2013, a base Dacia was probably a better choice.

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Post by mertd »

a1371 wrote: post #98
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

I have noticed this too and I feel it's because of the higher acceleration. It may give the drivers the feeling that they can insert themselves in even closer encounters because the car is more responsive.

Ever notice how some minivan drivers go way too fast for the size of their vehicle? Some think it is because the good forward visibility gives the drivers too much confidence. 3 and Y may have the same good visibility "problem" due to the sloping hood and the non existing dashboard.

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Post by wilg »

ck2 wrote: post #92
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

I've often wished there was some kind of tiny beacon cyclists and pedestrians could carry to electronically alert those kinds of cars/drivers. Yeah it's incorrectly shifting the responsibility to the victim but at this point whatever prevents injury/death/stress. The problem is it would be abused to trick drivers.

No need, the cars already see cyclists and pedestrians and have emergency braking. A transponder system is just a worse version of the existing solution.

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Post by fnord77 »

resolutebat wrote: post #173
mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

The Kia EV6 is a ground up EV and is better in every way than the Model Y

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Post by wilg »

georgeburdell wrote: post #102
bradknowles wrote: post #89

The more drivers you get in a particular model, the more clueless drivers you'll see in that model. It's a form of survivor bias.

No, white Tesla Model Y/3 (the paint color that doesn’t cost extra) seem to occupy the same jerk driver niche that the BMW 3-series used to own. Lots of young, single men stretching their wallets for one.

I’m here to point out white is the safest color for a car.

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Post by resolutebat »

dieortin wrote: post #217
resolutebat wrote: post #191

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The minimalist cabin is the obvious one: it's more spacious and feels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. I did have severe doubts about the touchscreen and lack of controls, but in practice this has been a non-issue, there are tactile controls for everything you need to actually drive and voice controls for everything you don't (climate, music, etc). The glove box is just stupid though.

You do realize this has nothing to do with it being built from the start as an electric vehicle right? And as far as I know, the polestar is designed as an EV too.

The Polestar 2 is built on Volvo/Geely's CMA platform and is very similar to the ICE Volvo XC40.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Modular_Architecture_p...

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Post by robocat »

waffles4life wrote: post #197
contrarian1234 wrote: post #174

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Because they live in an alternate dimension with a peculiar market that's kinda bubbled off. China is also like a decade ahead in electrification. All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade (its a weird time warp coming to taiwan and experiencing the stench of scooter on your morning commute) They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago. Inside the city medium size trucks (for deliv…

Is Hackernews just getting overrun by pro-Xi commentators that make up whatever they want now? Chinese air pollution is ridiculous, and it's primarily because of their massive amount of vehicle emissions: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526014/

That link points out that air pollution isn’t “primarily” due to vehicle emissions except in some cities.

  On both regional and national scales, vehicle emission has been identified as one of the most important contributors to air pollution in most cities in China (Gong et al., 2017; Wang et al., 2010; Wu et al., 2016), and has even surpassed other contamination sources in some cities.
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