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Post by squeaky-clean »

pier25 wrote: post #203
rewgs wrote: post #196

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This is...completely missing the point. It honestly blows my mind how often exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger effect make it to the top on HN. You know that feeling you get as a programmer watching, like, two people code on the same keyboard on CSI or whatever? That's the feeling anyone with expertise in a domain other than programming gets when reading comments on HN regarding said domain. The most fundamental appeal…

Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > No one cares what CPU it has Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU :)

That's the nice thing about this, you don't need a dozen instances of diva for a live set. If you're traveling and using this, you can freeze the tracks. Otherwise if you're at home you can plug in to your real computer and run as many instances of Diva at Divine quality as you want.

But also this likely won't support Diva, probably just Operator, Analog, etc.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by squeaky-clean »

dottjt wrote: post #45

Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

Finger-drumming and using the sequencer in Push is much faster than clicking in MIDI notes for me.

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Post by jmcphers »

jtode wrote: post #36
vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

FWIW, I recently replaced "Pianoteq license and a good controller" with a Nord. I've found that the friction involved in getting the laptop warm and Pianoteq started/running, while relatively low, is still enough that I didn't often just sit down and play. The Nord is a simple appliance and is always there inviting me to practice.

I still have the laptop and Pianoteq and use them with the Nord as a controller sometimes, when I want to work with digital music. But most of the time, the laptop stays shut, and I've found I am able to more deeply engage with the music that way.

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Post by wheels »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #89
wheels wrote: post #87

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This is exactly the sort of email we get. Except that this would literally be the first request for Fedora, exactly exemplifying our problem. (Most of our users request things with Ubuntu / Debian bases.)

I'm not requesting you do anything, I'm not even a customer (as far as I know), I'm saying what I would do in your position if I was aiming to support an audio product on Linux. I explained why I would choose Fedora. It's your business, you run it as you see fit. I can't help but feel that maybe you read too much into what you get sent. I would pick one "known good config" ( your distro of choice), present it as what…

> I would pick one "known good config" (your distro of choice), present it as what it gets tested on prior to release, and for anything else, you're on your own [...]

That's literally what we've tried, and it hasn't worked. Despite us saying that's all we support, we still get tons of reports / requests about it not working on other Linuxes.

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Post by jmcphers »

klodolph wrote: post #162
moojd wrote: post #128

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Nords are for gigging artists that want every feature accessable via physical controls on the device with minimal setup. If you are willing to bring your laptop on stage there are probably better cheaper options. That being said used Electro's can be affordable and they are really fun devices to own. There is also a nice small community of people hacking on them. My current hobby project is reverse engineering the el…

The problem is that pure MIDI controllers are often not very good. When you pay $2,000 for a synthesizer, it can have a very good keyboard.

This used to be true, but I don't think it is any more. The Kawai VPC1, for example, contains an incredibly nice action, costs $2,500, and is a pure MIDI controller.

https://kawaius.com/product/vpc1/

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Post by nr2x »

coldtea wrote: post #178
nr2x wrote: post #166

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As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

> The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

I haven’t used it on iPad yet, I meant in regards to desktop.

Biggest issue on iPad is lack of device drivers. Class Compliant audio only gets you so far.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

pier25 wrote: post #207
coldtea wrote: post #206

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I'm pretty sure the Push 3 has been calculated to be able to run the plugins it needs to run - and without interruptions or other apps taking over the OS.

> to be able to run the plugins it needs to run What does that even mean? How many Diva instances can it run? Edit: And BTW, AKAI MPC users hit CPU limits all the time. And that's not even using heavy VSTs like Diva but the ARM optimized plugins included.

It can run zero diva instances. No third party plugins.

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Post by colanderman »

pier25 wrote: post #201
squarefoot wrote: post #183

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro Swap real pads and knobs for a touch screen? No thanks, even if they would give it to me for free. Not judging Ableton stuff prices, and I'm also not into this kind of devices (aside my Korg Padkontrol) because as a prog rock wannabe musician I would probably have little use for them, but when using electronic instruments, nothing comes close to real things you ca…

I only meant the computer part, not the controller.

As an electronic musician, I will gladly pay a premium for any device that reduces the number of boxes and wires I have to set up at every gig. (As well as reduce the number of things I have to turn on, which might decide not to turn on.)

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by seanp2k2 »

coldtea wrote: post #175
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

The part that gets me is that it’s x86, and not even very recent x86. This CPU model was released for retail in Q3'20. It’s 10nm. I would have much preferred to see something like a 4nm Zen4 Ryzen or ideally, some combination of ASIC / ARM there.

The other annoying thing is that it doesn’t even include a Live standard license at this price, only Live Intro. That’s just being cheap on Ableton’s part.

The big benefit I see of this over something like a Linnstrument + iPad + iConnectivity AUDIO4c is portability and Live compatibility, but I’d personally wait and see how stable the software is before pulling the trigger. Relying on a brand new software stack on x86 to do the exact right things in perfect time for live music is a bet I wouldn’t take. I hope it’s amazing, and I’m sure lots of folks worked very hard on this, but the proof will be in the pudding. There’s a reason that you don’t see Pioneer and Denon decks / mixers or really any other live audio gear rocking x86.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

coldtea wrote: post #178
nr2x wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

> The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

Those VSTs won’t run on a push 3 either.

Of course ableton comes with a pretty good array of instruments and effects, so maybe this isn’t that big a deal.

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