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Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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post #188

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There are likely dozens of others out there that can lay claim to the same. What specifically do you define as the innovation behind this “invention”?

I'm sure that many can make the same claim. In the 1980's, I was an operating systems architect working at IBM. I thought up many interesting (to me) innovations while working on the first couple of releases of the AIX on the IBM POWER hardware. It was a great job and I learned a lot doing it. I got to work with some really brilliant developers and computer scientists (a number from IBM Research). One project I was r…

What was your company?

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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post #177

My spouse will sometimes mention in conversation with others that I invented the cookie. This always puts me on the spot, and I have to enter into a long explanation of the what and the why of cookies least they believe that I some sort of evil software hacker. (Now for a short explanation so that HN readers don’t think that I’m an evil hacker: I invented them, with the help of a colleague, while at IBM where we were…

Great, so when time travel becomes a thing, I'll add you to the list of people to have a chat with about needing to envision longer term visions for how nefarious people can be. I love that at one point in a not so distant galaxy, er time, that there was a thing of innocence. Now, that innocence can no longer be tolerated and every new thing must have more time invested on how the new thing can be abused rather than…

You may as well start by having that conversation with the inventor of the time travel device you're using, because - whew boy the nefarious things people are going to do with it!

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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I'm more curious about the question of 'who wants free content'.

Because that's really the question here. Would I prefer everything in my life was free with no strings attached? Obviously.

But youtube/news/reddit/facebook/literally any website needs to make money somehow, and non tracked ads pay rediculously lower amounts(90+%). So the real question is, would you trade what is essentially anonymous tracking (literally no one at Google gives a damn who you are, it's just a unique id fed into an algorithm) for content, or would you rather pay for each and every site on the internet?

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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This is such a ludicrous comment chain. The tone was clearly negative. You said you said you wanted to have a chat "about needing to envision longer term visions for how nefarious people can be".

right, but it sounds to me as you are reading it as i'm calling the inventor of the cookie as nefarious. i'm suggesting having a conversation with the inventor about how nefarious people will use his invention.

No, I'm not reading it like that. You clearly say that the inventor didn't think of nefarious people, not that he was one.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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post #221
post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure that many can make the same claim. In the 1980's, I was an operating systems architect working at IBM. I thought up many interesting (to me) innovations while working on the first couple of releases of the AIX on the IBM POWER hardware. It was a great job and I learned a lot doing it. I got to work with some really brilliant developers and computer scientists (a number from IBM Research). One project I was r…

What was your company?

I'm going to put my guess in as Tivoli.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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I'm more curious about the question of 'who wants free content'. Because that's really the question here. Would I prefer everything in my life was free with no strings attached? Obviously. But youtube/news/reddit/facebook/literally any website needs to make money somehow, and non tracked ads pay rediculously lower amounts(90+%). So the real question is, would you trade what is essentially anonymous tracking (literall…

Your dichotomy ignores other possibilities. To what extent are we stuck on costly distribution models specifically because those are the ones you can tap for a revenue stream, to what extent are the costs driven by the monetization itself?

I used to help out with the technical infrastructure for wikipedia and even as the 8th most trafficked site on the internet the cost was radically lower than that of some of my dayjob customers with comparable levels of traffic. A non-trivial part of the reason for that was that it didn't need all the surveillance and realtime per-request bespoke generation that advertisement encumbered services require. Part of it was just that there is an awful lot of fat in big commercial operations, since they have enough revenue that it's not a concern. Some is probably because when you're chasing ad dollars the extra spend required to get a 30 ms response instead of a 60ms response might be justified on the basis of the marginal clicks it generates, but those costs shouldn't properly be considered part of the underlying distribution costs.

I think "yes, I'd be happy to pay for all of it" would be significantly more attractive if paying meant just the component of the cost that actually went to the authors of the material -- on the order of a hundredth of a cent per view. Here is $1, that'll cover the authors share of all my household's youtube viewing for the next several years.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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I'm more curious about the question of 'who wants free content'. Because that's really the question here. Would I prefer everything in my life was free with no strings attached? Obviously. But youtube/news/reddit/facebook/literally any website needs to make money somehow, and non tracked ads pay rediculously lower amounts(90+%). So the real question is, would you trade what is essentially anonymous tracking (literall…

For me, personally, I invest enough time watching YouTube for Premium to be worth it solely to avoid ads.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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post #149

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you can just salt it with some stable random thing

In which case you can just take 6 seconds to generate all the new hashes and build a new lookup table.

You can further add bucketing, and eventually move closer to FLoC.

But this is aside the point, as the spirit of the law only allows "processing for legitimate interests". The use of technology, cookies or on the server is irrelevant. If thread OP has evaluated their collection[0] as legitimate, they can use whatever technology within guidelines. Otherwise, even a cookie less data collection would require consent.

[0]: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio...

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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post #196

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Thanks...I'm think I'm too sensitive about it since this comes up every f'ing time.

Not too sensitive. All of us get annoyed at things we have to constantly reiterate. At least that other user revealed their insanity after they kept talking. Literally explaining why you could never have known, despite claiming you should have "thought harder." Don't feel guilty, you're not the one with the evil idea. We should, of course think long (and sometimes evil), but it's impossible to predict what others wil…

"but it's impossible to predict what others will use your tech for."

I mean, it depends. If you build a atomic bomb during a war (with unrestrained city bombing from all sides going on), don't act surprised if cities indeed will be nuked with it and people point the finger also towards you.

But a general purpose lightweight distributed storage technology? Seriously no, then you can also blame hard drive producers for enabling tracking.

We all want some websites to store temporary information on out computers. Otherwise we could not log in to anything for example. And that the default of the browsers is to allow any random website to store literally GBs of data on your computer without asking (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Storage_API...) - then this is really the choice of ad financed browser developers - and the choice of the users to just accept that behavior (ignorance can also be a choice).

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