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I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

btown wrote: post #46

Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…

I think it's useful to have different networks with different rules - that way, we learn about what works and what doesn't. Twitter still has the behaviour you discuss here with people screenshotting pages showing someone blocked them, and publicising them.

I'd like a social network that's much more public, to compare it's results with twitter, etc. I'm thinking non-anonymous identities and fully public records of votes, etc.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

0xy wrote: post #220
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I presume you would call IQ statistics "racism" Putting aside the value of IQ figures, no, the figures themselves are not racist. How someone uses them, of course, can be.

Given IQ statistics throw a pretty big spanner in the works of white supremacists by showing them that Ashkenazi Jews are the top of the average list, it's pretty hard to see how they're racist.

I'm glad you agree!

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by glenstein »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #216
snickerbockers wrote: post #189

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No, i understand what Twitter is. I was using it as far back as 2009. I have a problem with recent pre-musk changes, such as putting posts from people you dont follow and often dont agree with into your feed to make people argue. If you don't post iften enough, several times a day they will even send you notifications for posts that don't involve you and don't even come from people you follow. And then there's Twitte…

> If you don't post iften enough, several times a day they will even send you notifications for posts that don't involve you and don't even come from people you follow. I just checked my notifications - of the last ~100, over the last week or so, there's not a single one that isn't directly related to me. I've only posted one tweet in that week.

They said several times that they were referring to pre-musk changes.

I remember exactly this form of notification spam that they're talking about, although it appears not to be there anymore.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by capableweb »

8organicbits wrote: post #199

That's so much smaller than I expected. Mastodon stats claim 1.1B posts [1]. Both are growing fast, but I'm surprised by that gap. [1] https://the-federation.info/

Bluesky just existed for a short while so far, it's to be expected.

What would be more interesting would be to compare Mastodon with bluesky when Mastodon was as old as bluesky is now.

Is this something someone can figure out?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by glenstein »

input_sh wrote: post #202
8organicbits wrote: post #199

That's so much smaller than I expected. Mastodon stats claim 1.1B posts [1]. Both are growing fast, but I'm surprised by that gap. [1] https://the-federation.info/

Why are you surprised by that? Mastodon is older, a lot more ironed out (in its own quirky ways), actually open to the public, and bot-friendly. Of course it's orders of magnitude more popular at this point in time. That said, even though I'm rooting for Mastodon, I would not be shocked if Bluesky catches up very quickly. In any case, any of the two is an improvement over a locked down and thoroughly broken Twitter.

Right, Blue sky is invite only, and has just started out. And like you, I strongly prefer Mastodon, but if Blue sky helps organize us into a post Twitter world so much the better.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by vincho »

Zetice wrote: post #153
eli wrote: post #130

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Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

It's so much easier to build this into the app (which is what you're saying) rather than try to solve this at the proto level, I'm honestly surprised they even tried to include it into the protocol. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised. There's a really large trans community active on Bluesky right now, and they've been extremely vocal about what's important to them, with blocking being the thing demanded the loudest…

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by glenstein »

Hamuko wrote: post #192
detaro wrote: post #91

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How is that a benefit over ActivityPub? Hard-coding a post size limit in the protocol seems like a negative thing to me?

Because it's a microblog like Twitter.

I'm still not clear on why that's a benefit?

Nothing about the architecture of the protocol itself? Or better account migration or improved design of name conventions, or improved server performance?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by glenstein »

eli wrote: post #130
btown wrote: post #123

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The problem is when B comes across a A post and reposts it to B’s followers with a call to action to harass A. If you don’t give A the ability to avoid this by influencing A’s presence on B’s feed, A will quit the platform entirely, and B will have been rewarded (with engagement) and incentivized to stir up mobs in the future. It creates a toxic environment. Blocking is an effective speed bump to this happening!

Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol. IMHO federation is a mistake.

>Strong user safety features are at odds with a federated protocol.

The whole philosophy behind Mastodon is the idea that literally the opposite is true. Servers that are aligned in their safety feature preferences are able to federate with each other and de-federate with servers that don't share those safety features.

For all of the dissing of Mastodon, one thing even its critics begrudgingly admit is that it has better and more granular controls for privacy and controls that mitigate harassment. Normally when people say Mastodon is bad for this or that reason, they say that these controls are unnecessary or too complicated, but I don't think anyone seriously doubts that they are there. And those controls depend in a fundamental way upon federation. If there's one thing to understand about Mastodon it's that it leverages federation to improve strong user safety features.

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