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Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Leaving aside that your car shouldn't need updates for the basic function of going faster when you push the accelerator, do you want to have an unskippable advert played on the car's display before you can pull away?

Why would my car, that I purchased, have ads at all?

For the same reason windows pro shows me ads in the start menu and pesters me to purchase office 365.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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>If you don't like it, just don't buy cars whose performance is artificially limited. Let the market decide the issue. You are unfortunately one of the apologetic quote, "dickfucks", endquote the parent was referring too. When all players eventually do this, where will you got to buy? There is no more free market left in the auto industry after a century of consolidations. We're at the mercy of a few giant automakers…

You don't have to use bad words. But since you brought it up - here is a recent lesson. Consumers do not like touch screens and it seems car makers are listening: https://slate.com/business/2023/04/cars-buttons-touch-screen...

Corporations do not make (significant) sums of money on a button vs screen choice, and there's important evidence about the safety and ergonomics that favors buttons.

Paying extortion to get more speed? That's just a cash cow.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

This depends on if they actually charge you for it upfront in the MSRP. Say the cost for a motor made of x material is $2000 more than a lower spec motor made of z. So here they could make two specs, say charge $5000 more for the better motor, and profit $3,000 when anyone with a kick for adrenaline chooses the better motor. However, there are hidden costs to inventorying multiple different variations of the main dri…

Of course they're charging up front. The goal is to make as much money as possible. What's much more likely to happen, especially with a brand like Mercedes, is instead of charging $A for trim x and $1.1A for trim z, they'll just charge $1.1A for both and tack the subscription fee on.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Sure, but are you are farmer? Suburbs can support great public transit, and it would be cheaper than cars for everyone. Suburbs cannot support the bad public transport options they get though. The lack of density makes it harder to design a great network (network is critical here!), you cannot make mistakes as there is no density to save you from mistakes.

> Suburbs can support great public transit, and it would be cheaper than cars for everyone. While I agree... there is no way Americans will forgo cars. Americans love our rural and public and wild lands too much to not be able to simply visit at moment's notice. Having lived in Europe, I understand how this works there. Europeans don't have the same relationship with nature that Americans often do. The ones that do u…

The point is not about eliminating cars. Cars are, and will continue to remain, an important form of transportation, especially in rural or remote areas.

Public transit and alternative forms of transportation such as bikes, are about

1. Reducing traffic, less people driving means less traffic for those that need to drive.

2. Improving safety within cities and suburbs, a car is far more dangerous than a bike or public transit

3. Reducing the cost of infrastructure maintenance, cars are heavy, especially EVs, a reduction in the number of cars on the road would lead to massive savings in the cost of maintaining our roads.

4. Removing the car burden, cars are a expensive depreciating asset, and for low-income folks they are a massive tax just to be able to travel to work. So folks who don't want to, or don't have the means to own a car, they should be able to travel without paying a huge time penalty.

5. Health benefits, less cars on the road means people who prefer to walk, bike can do so safely and gain some health benefits.

6. Cars are noisy, noise pollution is linked to bad health outcomes, less cars = less noise on public areas.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Apple spearheads user-hostile decisions and everyone willingly accepts it (even cheers for it) because hey, it's Apple. Google, Samsung etc. copy them down the line, and by then it is too late to complain and reverse the trend. Tesla spearheaded (1) removing Carplay/Android Auto and charging monthly for maps/traffic/connectivity, (2) hiding features behind paid software upgrades, (3) hiding performance improvements b…

> (1) removing Carplay/Android Auto and charging monthly for maps/traffic/connectivity, (2) hiding features behind paid software upgrades, (3) hiding performance improvements behind monthly subscriptions, (4) providing charging for a monthly fee.

1: tesla never supported carplay, although it is anti-user at this point. And the monthly sub for this is traffic data (which does cost n > 0 to Tesla) and access to cellular streaming, which also costs then per GB to AT&T.

2: FSD Beta? this costs tons of engineering hours. I made a case for heated seats in SR+ vehicles being gated behind a $300 one-time purchase here[0]

3: performance improvements were the result of continued stress and stability testing of the motors, and it resulted in a one-time acceleration boost[1], not a subscription

4: vehicle charging for a monthly fee? They have a subscription for non-EVs to charge that grants you access to discounted rates, but this isn't a thing otherwise.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35820345

1: https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acce...

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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post #206

Apple spearheads user-hostile decisions and everyone willingly accepts it (even cheers for it) because hey, it's Apple. Google, Samsung etc. copy them down the line, and by then it is too late to complain and reverse the trend. Tesla spearheaded (1) removing Carplay/Android Auto and charging monthly for maps/traffic/connectivity, (2) hiding features behind paid software upgrades, (3) hiding performance improvements b…

Rent seekers gonna rent seek. Apple has nothing to do with it.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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post #206

Apple spearheads user-hostile decisions and everyone willingly accepts it (even cheers for it) because hey, it's Apple. Google, Samsung etc. copy them down the line, and by then it is too late to complain and reverse the trend. Tesla spearheaded (1) removing Carplay/Android Auto and charging monthly for maps/traffic/connectivity, (2) hiding features behind paid software upgrades, (3) hiding performance improvements b…

> (1) removing Carplay/Android Auto and charging monthly for maps/traffic/connectivity, (2) hiding features behind paid software upgrades, (3) hiding performance improvements behind monthly subscriptions, (4) providing charging for a monthly fee. 1: tesla never supported carplay, although it is anti-user at this point. And the monthly sub for this is traffic data (which does cost n > 0 to Tesla) and access to cellula…

You can say all of the same for the article being discussed. It takes time and effort to engineer a fast car. If you aren't okay with Mercedes charging monthly for it, you should not be okay with Tesla's business model as well.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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You’re completely ignoring the customer (people like you) in favor of the (already mega rich) corporations. What a mindset.

> You’re completely ignoring the customer (people like you) in favor of the (already mega rich) corporations. What a mindset. No, I want the company I work for to have similar profit margins as FAANG and thus increase my compensation. Do you also attack those employees because their companies are charging extra for pure software unlocks or subscriptions?

>to have similar profit margins as FAANG and thus increase my compensation

Why would they do this? They have enough labor working for the money they give already. If their profits doubled, why on earth would their labor costs go up too instead of them just keeping the money?

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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> Suburbs can support great public transit, and it would be cheaper than cars for everyone. While I agree... there is no way Americans will forgo cars. Americans love our rural and public and wild lands too much to not be able to simply visit at moment's notice. Having lived in Europe, I understand how this works there. Europeans don't have the same relationship with nature that Americans often do. The ones that do u…

Let’s not kid ourselves. Americans love their cars because they want short term convenience. Cars trips in the US are, in their vast majority, short and between common places like grocery stores, gyms, schools, etc.

Absolutely, and if you eliminated all of that... most americans would still want a car, because it lets them get out.

Look... I live in the inner city. Realistically, I walk everywhere most of the week. However, I keep a car so I can get to the mountains 50 miles away. That is the main reason I keep a car and my main usage of it (and to also visit family and friends who live more rurally).

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