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French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by 1letterunixname »

barrysteve wrote: post #204
1letterunixname wrote: post #123

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The proper personal data hygiene tips are: 0. Never take your primary personal or work cell phone to any demonstration 1. Cover your face, if you can, or wear anti-facial recognition makeup 2. Do not use social media from primary personal devices 3. Anyone intent on trying to join the cause is a cop. Until proven otherwise, anyone you meet is a cop 4. The standard response to any official questions in the future is t…

Bikelock-guy got ID and sentenced with roughly similar hygiene tips. There's no hiding really. Cops/Feds can do parallel construction to nail you anyway. Use the fancy technology to discover what happened, build the case backwards with old fashioned techniques. They never have to reveal the advantages they have, it's rigged.

Chicken-little isn't a rationalization for lowering security practices. Let corrupt (not all are) police investigations go-ahead and attack the defenses of a prepared adversary.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by 1letterunixname »

psychphysic wrote: post #153
makeitdouble wrote: post #131

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The kicker being, there is actually a 6th critical tip: 5. record your interactions with anyone around you, specially cops The number 0 point (not bringing your cell phone) makes it pretty difficult, so you need an everyday phone, and a dedicated "demonstration" phone.

It's pretty pathetic of the French government to be silent on why exactly they flagged him like this. And presumably did not arrest him on exit! But I'm afraid since Brexit the UK gov has fallen over itself backwards to look like it's still able to work with EU agencies. It's more valuable to them to overzealously agree than to resist when we had a secure table at the EU table.

Perhaps the optics of nations quid pro quo oppressing each others' citizens are better than direct oppression.

What are the tangible pro's and con's of Brexit?

IIRC, EU membership forced Scandinavian countries to broadly weaken regulations on toxic substances and discard the precautionary principle.

Would UK on Euro subsidize worse economic performance of other nations?

What is the new, actual situation in N Ireland in terms of trade, regulations, and standards?

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by midoridensha »

tristor wrote: post #219
flangola7 wrote: post #216

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I'm not going to get upset if sexist jerks get a little readjustment.

> I'm not going to get upset if sexist jerks get a little readjustment. If we break down what you're saying, you're saying it's acceptable for the government to punish and "readjust" (euphemism for re-educate?) someone for mere speech, including /in the "privacy" of their own home/? Attitudes like this are unfortunately prevalent in Europe, or these types of laws wouldn't pass. I reiterate my earlier comment, that on…

It's not just the US: Japan has freedom of speech too, encoded into its constitution. Arguably, speech is more free here than in the US. Many other things are much more free too, such as being able to drink beer outside, or being able to build what you want on your own land without NIMBYs shutting you down. The only big "freedom" we don't have is being able to carry guns around, but I don't miss that at all.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by flangola7 »

tristor wrote: post #219
flangola7 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to get upset if sexist jerks get a little readjustment.

> I'm not going to get upset if sexist jerks get a little readjustment. If we break down what you're saying, you're saying it's acceptable for the government to punish and "readjust" (euphemism for re-educate?) someone for mere speech, including /in the "privacy" of their own home/? Attitudes like this are unfortunately prevalent in Europe, or these types of laws wouldn't pass. I reiterate my earlier comment, that on…

Do I need to repeat myself?

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by dang »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #87
toyg wrote: post #44

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Germans are actually the most inoculated against that type of virus, they will be the last to fall. They are at the forefront of anti-authoritarian efforts in technology, for example. US/UK/France, on the other hand...

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Yikes and whoa - you can't post this sort of nationalistic flamebait here. We ban accounts that do; it's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We had to warn you recently about breaking the site rules like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34887271. I don't want to ban you because you've also posted good comments - so would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on? We'd be grateful.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by lenkite »

blibble wrote: post #47
Manuel_D wrote: post #23

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And perhaps more importantly, it becomes a de-facto crime to ever forget an encryption key. People forget the passkeys to crypto wallets all the time, losing millions. How can the police effectively prove that someone remembers the passcode? What if someone, after a few months in prison, says they've reconsidered and are willing to comply. They try to decrypt it but fail and subsequently say they the stress of incarc…

> How can the police effectively prove that someone remembers the passcode? if they can prove you were using the phone an hour ago that would probably do it

Actually, I forgot the passcode to my phone after being involved in an accident. It was utterly nerve wracking. Got blasted by so many people for not calling up and I was embarrassed to admit that I couldn't remember my passcode.

I had gotten used to putting in the passcode without even seeing the screen and completely lost this muscle memory at the time of the accident - likely due to high stress. I did not remember it later either - it was like my mind just rejected the memory and simply couldn't place out what were the exact digits.

Became far more understanding of my parents forgetting stuff after that incident.

Anyways, the point is that you can un-believably forget the phone passcode at a time of stress. Sure, some cool-as-cucumber humans will never forget anything, but the vast majority of people are not like that.

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Post by lenkite »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #84
negidius wrote: post #57

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The stress of being arrested and threatened with years in prison if you don't remember your passcode could very well cause someone to forget it.

Just today (and many times before) I witnessed a coworker flummoxed by their Windows log in PIN not working. They insisted it was the same thing they used to log in not even 10 minutes ago, before locking it to go pee. However perhaps because I was asking for immediate information, the PIN they used countless times per day simply didn't work. I said "don't worry about it, I'll figure it out" and walked away. Few seco…

Folks mistype when they are in a hurry. They were likely remembering it correctly but not inputing it properly until you walked away.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by eynsham »

helaoban wrote: post #209
eynsham wrote: post #109

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Er hardly anybody in Britain cares, as much as I am outraged personally.

More of a reflection on the state of the West in general. Where the flame is lit doesn't really matter.

It’s not apparent to me that the use of Schedule 7 powers says particularly much about ‘the state of the West in general’. ‘Where the flame is lit’ does matter as to whether the resultant fire burns in Britain; the flames of 1848 did not.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by flangola7 »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #166
flangola7 wrote: post #145

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That video is about US law. The above comment says shutting the fuck up can be used as a negative inference against you in court.

Not if you get a lawyer, because as soon as your lawyer shows up, they say "My client invokes his/her right to remain silent."

What right to remain silent are you referring to? Can you link it?
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