Better get Priya to learn the new tool(gpt4) to her advantage if you really want to help her, not biach about it and wish things never happened
I wish GPT4 had never happened
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#222Getting really sick of people scoffing at the privilege of being disrupted.
“But I need to pay rent and eat!”
Never thinking of imperial needs before themselves!
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…
> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job…
>You are complaining about the very thing you benefit from now.
It's dubious that anyone except the most wealthy benefits from this. Even though productivity has exploded, wages hasn't followed and the rewards of productivity has gone to a small few. I don't know how anyone can look at wealth inequality today and think most people should be "grateful". It's more likely to me that rest of America will start to look like San Francisco.
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#224The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .
What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…
"Work" above is being used in a more specific form than you are using it. GP is not referring to all productive work, they are specifically referring to employment on the market. Yes, human beings are better in relationships and better when they help each other, but GP is not talking about abolishing helping other people or doing meaningful things.
There are a huge number of things people can do to meaningfully make the world a better place outside of traditional jobs. And a non-trivial number of people work at jobs that aren't aligned with producing value or helping people in the first place.
Value on the market in specific is not the be-all end-all measure of whether work can be personally fulfilling and validating. A market job can be meaningful, yes. But it's not the entire category. If I never had to work for income I would still "work", but what I worked on would be very different and would probably focus a lot more on non-scalable non-commercial smaller projects and volunteering.
There are things that are valuable and meaningful to do that don't involve working specifically for a company and don't involve looking at that work primarily through the lens of "how can I make money off of this?"
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment is amazing in its naivete. The first sentence in the post you are replying to already includes awareness of everything you said and more, while nothing in your comment suggests you understood the post at all. Priya doesn't become 10 times more productive, someone else uses the tool to do her job, which no longer exists.
That cycle has gone on since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Jobs are destroyed, people complain and protest, new jobs are created and the total economic pie and the absolute size of the average person’s slice increases. A valid question is are there inventions for which this would not be true? I think yes for general AI, but also yes for people who are unable to migrate between a job lost and any of the new…
You're right, but the phrase "people complain" elides a lot and shows a callous lack of empathy. People complain because they lose their jobs, their homes, their standard of living, their future prospects, their ability to feed their families, their relationships, their social status, their healthcare benefits and therefore their healthcare, their mental health, and in some cases their lives (suicide is not unusual for people who lose all of the above). For every Priya who gets a new job as an AI wrangler, there will be many who do not.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment is amazing in its naivete. The first sentence in the post you are replying to already includes awareness of everything you said and more, while nothing in your comment suggests you understood the post at all. Priya doesn't become 10 times more productive, someone else uses the tool to do her job, which no longer exists.
Or half her team gets fired
And get hired at a place where software development now being cheaper per unit of functionality makes it economically tenable for that firm to have SWEs.
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#227I asked GPT4 to write me a simple document. Took like 9 tries and I had to proof read it and make adjustments. And that's with a simple paragraph in a written language. Forget about doing the header and the footer properly. It's silly that I have to spell it out on HN of all places. Writing code is much more complex. There's a reason we call the job "Software Engineer". GPT doesn't know what it doesn't know. It doesn…
When we built the first airplane it could barely carry a single person and didn't go far... We are just barely touching digital general intelligence, and we're not even using API enabled versions that use tooling.
And that's what we have today. Tell me, what is AI going to do tomorrow?
>If you're worried about GPT taking over your job you just show your own lack of knowledge and experience.
Oh, I'm glad you popped out of the womb fully trained. As for the rest of us we have to go through a learning curve of gaining experience that takes years. Generally in that intern/junior stage where you make a lot of mistakes. If AI replaces that level of employee and leaves the seniors, where are the new developers coming from?
>But you will find that as soon as it encounters a situation it can't predict....the whole thing falls apart.
Heh, yea, you've not been paying much attention to AI development then.
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#228Thanks for the tip! Anyone wanna be my cofounder?
Haha my first thought as well. The issue I see is what’s the moat?
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#229The challenge before India is how to lift the standard of living for 500 million people to sustain the great challenges of the future including climate change.
Imagine what if the Govt of India(or an organization) made Physical robotic agents for 400Million+ farmers (most of whom hold miniscule land 1. Bottom up empowerment: Building such agents does not require massive supply chain and operational nightmares that other job, income creating manufacturing industries like Cars or Battery manufacturing does.
2. Force multiplier: This is way better than keynesian monetary ideas of just giving people money. An agent that allows you to make food, build a house and get education is infinitely better. It does not give you wealth alone it gives one hope.
In india 6.25% of people pay income tax(https://incometaxindia.gov.in/Charts%20%20Tables/Why%20shoul...) and statistics on people who are near the poverty line are grim(though we haven't had a National census in 11+ years to really measure progress on poverty). But I have great hope for the future...
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#230Dealing with climate change is going to be expensive.
Efficiency is good.
If Priya gets to stay home and e.g. tend a Permaculture food forest while a computer does her job for her at a billionth of the cost (resource usage) that should be a good thing?
Her QoL would arguably be much higher if she gets to keep the pay. She would have eight hours a day to pursue science rather than drudging as a data jockey, eh?
The problem here isn't the talking computers, the problem is how to allocate the economic windfall they generate.
I've heard it said, "Let the robots do the work and we'll take their pay."
The questions are:
1) Who decides the boundaries of acceptable thought?
2) Who benefits from the economic windfall?
3) How do we educate ourselves in a world where computers can answer any (allowed) question?