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The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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He's begging for regulatory capture. "I can destroy the world but I won't. My competitor's will, so regulate them." A shrewd plan considering he's not offering something beyond what another company with a large nvidia cluster could offer.

All that may be true, but it doesn't help us decide whether more AI regulation is a good idea or not.

As with most things, it probably depends on how it's done.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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There is a such thing as being principled and then finding out you were naive.

ofcourse but then you still must have some principles and be as loud about how naive you were as you were when you were protesting the thing in the first place.

Why must you be loud about changing your mind? Why not just quietly realise you were wrong, have conversations with friends about it and move on? That’s what I’d do.

My life is a story. I’m under no obligation to share.

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

The third way is to build AI technology that empowers the individual against state and corporate power alike. Democracy got us here. It cannot get us out.

So long as you buy your inferencing hardware from another private party, I'd wager you're helpless against both state and corporate power.

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> Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. One of the main roles of government is to step in where markets fail.

> One of the main roles of government is to step in where markets fail. Because that's worked out great so far? In every case I can think of, the government (usually because it's already captured) only ever serves to further exacerbate the issue.

Has a government never prevented a merger that would have created a monopoly?

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

I don't know, isn't history really just a series of specific people doing concrete actions?

Do you think on some level the idea of some abstract 'government' taking care of things is just a narrative we apply to make ourselves feel better?

Sure individual decision makers in that government can concretely affect reality, but beyond that are we just telling a story and really nobody is 'in control'?

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Self checkout machines put people out of a job. Cars put stable boys out of jobs. Light bulbs put candlemakers out of jobs. Are the people who made them also morally culpable? Let’s just make no progress ever in the name of employment I guess. /s

> Self checkout machines put people out of a job. Have they, though? Is there good data on this? I haven’t seen anyone lose any jobs over this in my area. They either get reassigned to different departments or get better jobs doing the same thing in companies that refuse to use self-checkouts. And I read here just a month or so ago that Amazon closed many of their "no cashier" stores in NY and Trader Joe’s vowed to n…

I like that your first point asks for data on a common phenomenon. (Side note: Everyone was reassigned or got a better job? You sure about that?)

Then your second point is a wild anecdote with zero data. (Side note: With zero additional data I can tell you that your “judging” of their profit is wildly inaccurate.)

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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I love what OpenAI has built and it's awesome to see them succeed on the AI front (also I'm forever amazed to see SamA live up to the Lebron James early level hype about his entrepreneurial skills).

This article sheds more light on how the non-profit front failed. I find that to be a very hard and interesting problem. IMO, it points to a larger problem with our current laws, where trying to do good and compete fairly is made much harder (near impossible?) when you compete against companies that exploit unfair monopolistic laws.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. One of the main roles of government is to step in where markets fail.

> One of the main roles of government is to step in where markets fail. Because that's worked out great so far? In every case I can think of, the government (usually because it's already captured) only ever serves to further exacerbate the issue.

Seriously? You can't think of how it was useful that the government mandated that factory door must remain open to help prevent human deaths in case of a fire? You can't think of the advantages of governmental food and medicine safety obligations?

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

I don't know, isn't history really just a series of specific people doing concrete actions? Do you think on some level the idea of some abstract 'government' taking care of things is just a narrative we apply to make ourselves feel better? Sure individual decision makers in that government can concretely affect reality, but beyond that are we just telling a story and really nobody is 'in control'?

"think on some level the idea of some abstract"

This! So much this! These conversations are being held at such a high level of abstraction that they don't make sense. It's one giant "feels" session.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

Though we do vote with our wallets too.

How great then that some wallets are millions of times larger than others.
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