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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by kube-system »

wolverine876 wrote: post #173
bitwize wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically speaking, suicide is the #1 cause of gun death in the US, gang activity is #2. School shootings are far down the list. They get a lot of attention but don't account for a large proportion of deaths. Of course, that any of these deaths occur is tragic, which is why the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requirement to purchase or o…

> gang activity is #2 What is that based on? The only people I hear even talk much about 'gangs' is conservative propgandists trying to demonize black and brown people and cities. I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person > the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requ…

> I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person

Not too far off. The federal definition is 3+. Gangs aren’t necessarily big.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by [deleted] »

WalterBright wrote: post #185
bitwize wrote: post #141

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The full text of the amendment is pretty clear that "a well-regulated militia" depends upon "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", it does not limit that right. In order to train farmers and craftsmen into an effective reserve fighting force, they have to have weapons of their own they can practice with. Times have changed, obviously, and civil society no longer depends on citizen firearm ownership. You can…

> We should probably repeal and replace the First Amendment while we're at it, and tie up some loose ends like Citizens United and the inability of U.S. governments to criminally punish hate speech. I am not a gun nut, and have little interest in owning/shooting guns. I've done it, and found it boring. But my defense of the 2nd Amendment is based on the domino theory that if the 2nd can be ignored, there goes the Fir…

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by deaddodo »

bilbo0s wrote: post #119
whakim wrote: post #97

The original article points out that the primary difference between the US and the UK (as well as other peer countries) is that you're much more likely to die young in the US. A 5-year-old in the United States has a 4% chance of dying before age 40, whereas a 5-year-old in Australia, Austria, Canada, England and Wales, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Switzerland has ~1% chance of dying before age 40 (val…

Woah! Deaths by billion vehicle miles in UK - 5.2. In US - 12.5. (both have tens of thousands of KSI, but the US has over twice as many per cap. In fact, way, more KSI from car accidents than even gun related homicide in the US. I hadn't realized that!) Deaths by gun related homicide in UK - 200. In US - 20000. (Both numbers pale in comparison to motor vehicle deaths, but there are a lot more in the US. Probably to b…

The problem with drug overdoses can be directly tied to the War on Drugs. The entire campaign criminalized addiction vs focusing on rehabilitation, it removed outlets from relief in many states and it has only made illicit drug quality significantly worse (versus removing access to them).

This is one of those metrics that really makes US federalism apparent and shows the drastic difference in outcomes from the two major parties. By reviewing the per state metrics[1], you can see that states that take a much lighter hand to drug criminalization and that offer state sponsored relief (California, for instance) have a much lower death rate to ones that take a heavy hand (southern states, New Mexico, etc).

1 - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor...

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by m463 »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #17
legitster wrote: post #4

"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

Cars are getting so big that people can’t drive them. An indescribably sad statistic: In the US, a parent drives over and kills their kid in the driveway every other day [1]. All the guns also cause -a bunch of— some small kids to kill their siblings every year. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52109

It's amazing that only legislation has been able to add trivially inexpensive backup cameras to cars.

I don't know why every car doesn't have around-the-car view cameras right now. New teslas have all the cameras, but don't show the view!

That goes double for trucks of all types - even though they are professionally driven.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by sparker72678 »

pcurve wrote: post #94
sparker72678 wrote: post #59

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The article breaks it down; disparity is consistent across age, race, gender, income…

Article? I only see one chart? It doesn't mention anything about race and weight.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1641799627128143873.html

^ Thread and link to article.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by kube-system »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #216
kzrdude wrote: post #60

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I don't think it's really about healthcare. It's about everything else in life, that makes people obese or driven into a life of drugs (meth, etc.). Healthcare doesn't really save you from that.

It's not so much about the quality of healthcare as it is the price.

You could have the best hospital for free — if you are sedentary, eat poorly, and engage in risky behavior, you will die sooner.

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Post by wkat4242 »

rgmerk wrote: post #205
wkat4242 wrote: post #145

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That'll be very very difficult. Even very restrictive weapon ownership countries like Netherlands and Sweden have a big violent gang problem. And a policy as strict as they have is just totally unthinkable in the political reality of the US. So a policy stricter than the US can have isn't enough to solve this problem. That's why it's better to aim at reducing accidental underage gun deaths which is much more achievab…

Sweden’s murder rate is less than a fifth of the murder rate in the United States. It seems like their policies do go a big way to solve the problem, as infeasible as they appear to be for the USA.

You can't compare murder rates in the US with Sweden.

They have a real welfare system, diminishing social inequalities and with that the feeding ground for crime.

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Post by erik_seaberg »

Teever wrote: post #152
wkat4242 wrote: post #145

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That'll be very very difficult. Even very restrictive weapon ownership countries like Netherlands and Sweden have a big violent gang problem. And a policy as strict as they have is just totally unthinkable in the political reality of the US. So a policy stricter than the US can have isn't enough to solve this problem. That's why it's better to aim at reducing accidental underage gun deaths which is much more achievab…

It's so bizarre that America is the only country in the world that seems to face these kinds of problems. As a Canadian who grew up in a household with a dozen firearms, I never once touched those firearms, and hardly ever saw them until I was taken to the range by my father and taught how to use them.

It wasn’t a problem for rural American kids to have access to guns in the 1950s. My dad routinely hunted small game before class.

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Post by pacaro »

petesergeant wrote: post #209
bilbo0s wrote: post #119

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Woah! Deaths by billion vehicle miles in UK - 5.2. In US - 12.5. (both have tens of thousands of KSI, but the US has over twice as many per cap. In fact, way, more KSI from car accidents than even gun related homicide in the US. I hadn't realized that!) Deaths by gun related homicide in UK - 200. In US - 20000. (Both numbers pale in comparison to motor vehicle deaths, but there are a lot more in the US. Probably to b…

> Deaths by billion vehicle miles in UK UK driving test is difficult, and I suspect drunk driving is much lower because distances are lesser and public transport is better. > suicides Much easier when you have a gun around

And DUI is treated much more seriously in the UK, consequences are stricter (for example, no "oh you need a car to get to work so you can carry on driving but only too and from work" loophole) and there is greater social opprobrium to drink driving.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Post by anon291 »

deaddodo wrote: post #223
bilbo0s wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah! Deaths by billion vehicle miles in UK - 5.2. In US - 12.5. (both have tens of thousands of KSI, but the US has over twice as many per cap. In fact, way, more KSI from car accidents than even gun related homicide in the US. I hadn't realized that!) Deaths by gun related homicide in UK - 200. In US - 20000. (Both numbers pale in comparison to motor vehicle deaths, but there are a lot more in the US. Probably to b…

The problem with drug overdoses can be directly tied to the War on Drugs. The entire campaign criminalized addiction vs focusing on rehabilitation, it removed outlets from relief in many states and it has only made illicit drug quality significantly worse (versus removing access to them). This is one of those metrics that really makes US federalism apparent and shows the drastic difference in outcomes from the two ma…

Your map tells no such story. In particular, California's low rate cannot be attributed to California's policies, as California's rate is matched by Utah, Idaho, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, etc.

You say Southern States have a higher death rate, yet Mississippi (typically considered archetypical of the deep south) a lower per-capita drug overdose rate.

Texas, which is a state dominated by the party that does not rule California has an overdose rate about 75% that of California.

There's a lot more going on than your analysis would suggest.

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