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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hardly widespread, but it's absolutely happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ
It happening in rare instances isn’t sufficient for the OP to claim “we aren’t allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent”.
I was replying to this statement, "They made it up."
They didn't make it up, proof was provided that they didn't make it up.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree there is no statistical proof in the article, it's a very strong hypothesis: we somehow only 'listen' to the mental problems of female teens, who see geometric increases in self harm, suicide and various disorders, twice or three times the pre-social media levels. Yet other categories see linear or token increases. Could it be just a coincidence that young females are exactly the demographic that is con…
"that is constrained by a gender role where aesthetic appeal and social interactions are the most valuable assets?" In theory we should have seen a spike and then slow decline as gender norms and roles continue to become less segregating. "Yet other categories see linear or token increases." Yeah, because other categories may manifest their problems differently. Such as young men turning to violence and drugs more th…
> as gender norms and roles continue to become less segregating
But, gender roles and stereotypes are being more forcibly institutionalized, not becoming less segregating. Particularly in the US.
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#224These always come up and there's always this internet-commenter tendency to be like "I KNEW IT: SMARTPHONES/INTERNET/LACK-OF-RELIGION/ABCDEFG ANYTHING OF THE LAST 20 YEARS I HATE", which is fine for a hypothesis and worth somebody saying once. But it's really just a hypothesis. Another hypothesis is that it's environmental. There's a lot of research showing depression and stress are correlated with inflammation. Ther…
Another hypothesis is electromagnetic fields. There are more now than ever. Cell phones, 5G, Wifi Sounds stupid right? There's a plausibility scale, and despite various hypotheses being possible, it's reasonable to rank them by what fits best with out prior knowledge, and social media is way more plausible than some post 2010 rise in inflammation, even if that could causally lead to depression in the first place.
It's also possible that there are multiple confounding factors at play. It's reasonable to investigate multiple angles as well as how they interact with each other.
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#225Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.
We discussed that issue here a few weeks ago.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Huge expectations around women “having it all” clashing into economic uncertainty and the revocation of rights.
I'm not trying to be annoying, but I genuinely don't understand what you mean by huge expectations of "having it all" for women (at least insofar as it relates to any trend starting ~2012, when the large growth in depression and self-harm among teen girls seems to have started). The only "revocation of rights" I can think of would be Dobbs - which also does not fit the trend (see my response to the other comment). If…
> The only "revocation of rights" I can think of would be Dobbs - which also does not fit the trend (see my response to the other comment).
Dobbs didn't just happen. It took decades to take those rights away from women, and there was incremental (anti)progress along the way. In those decades, a massive political project was created specifically to message that women who get abortions (a lifesaving medical procedure) are murderers, and they should be accordingly punished (life in jail). The result of this political campaign is that women in America have the worst medical outcomes in the developed world, and in some cases it's worse than the developing world. Infant mortality is on the rise, giving birth can put you into debt tens of thousands of dollars, and if there are complications you now have to be literally on your last thread of life before doctors will feel comfortable trying to save you.
So I guess you can see why women in America might feel under threat. There is one political party in America who has been telling women for decades that their goal is to use their power and influence to turn the clock back on women in America.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
"that is constrained by a gender role where aesthetic appeal and social interactions are the most valuable assets?" In theory we should have seen a spike and then slow decline as gender norms and roles continue to become less segregating. "Yet other categories see linear or token increases." Yeah, because other categories may manifest their problems differently. Such as young men turning to violence and drugs more th…
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> And it's no coincidence young female teens are by far the most susceptible to transition to the opposite role: social media tells them "they were born in the wrong bodies".
Um, statistically, trans women are more common than trans men.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Linking a podcast isn't very good sourcing. I'm very intrigued to hear how the cuddling that's happening college campuses isn't happening, since anyone can see it in real time.
Here is a list of the referred critiques in the show notes: The Miseducation of Free Speech ( https://www.virginialawreview.org/articles/miseducation-free... ) College and the “Culture War”: Assessing Higher Education’s Influence on Moral Attitudes ( https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00031224211041... ) The Myth of the Campus Coddle Crisis ( https://academeblog.org/2018/12/28/the-myth-of-the-campus-co...…
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#229(Seemingly) Inevitable climate change and ecological destruction, growing income inequality and falling standards of living, a deathly pandemic that's still killing people while we pretend everything is back to normal (+ long covid probably bringing about a disability crisis in 3-5 years), increasing tensions between various nuclear-capable states (Russia, China) and the West, changes in the age distribution in most…
> less and less of a future
Everything is relative. My grandfather's biggest dream was to live in a city, that's it. Now young people dream (and envy) of way more.
So I'd say there's more and more future for youth. They can afford, at least once in one's life: travel abroad, snow skiing, parachuting, going to a restaurant. It's just baseline jumped.
Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere
#230(Seemingly) Inevitable climate change and ecological destruction, growing income inequality and falling standards of living, a deathly pandemic that's still killing people while we pretend everything is back to normal (+ long covid probably bringing about a disability crisis in 3-5 years), increasing tensions between various nuclear-capable states (Russia, China) and the West, changes in the age distribution in most…
Or the world has always had issues and the lense through which we now view the world is an everpresent fear coaster.
Step away from the news & social media for a few months. You can't effect the outcome anyway and you might find you're happier.