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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by billiam » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

LouisSayers wrote: post #162

vineyardmike wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said this about Alexa/Siri et al and it didn’t happen. ChatGPT is way better at understanding you, so that’s a big boost. It could be a great tool/assistant but it probably won’t replace apps. The problem with those other platforms that this doesn’t address include: - discoverability. How do you learn what features a service supports. On a GUI you can just see the buttons, but on a chat interface you have to a…

Who's to say though that it'll always stay a text format. They could bring in calendar, payment, other UI functionality... Basically they could rethink how everything is done on the Web today.

It almost certainly won't take the form of a text format. Impersonating a chatbot or a search engine GUI is just the fastest way for OpenAI to accumulate a few hundred million users, to leave the competition for user data and metadata behind.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by p10 » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

I just signed up for the ChatGPT API waitlist, and am truly excited to experience the process of building extensions & applications.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by Qworg » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:48 PM UTC

celestialcheese wrote: post #39

This is a big deal for openai. Been working with homegrown toolkits and langchain, the open source version of this, for a number of months and the ability to call out to vectorstores, serpapis, etc, and chaining together generations and data-retrieval really unlocks the power of the LLMs. That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. OpenAI and their models rule the day today, but who knows wh…

Another good alternative is Semantic Kernel - different language(s), similar (and better) tools, also OSS.

https://github.com/microsoft/semantic-kernel/

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:49 PM UTC

vineyardmike wrote: post #107

jyrkesh wrote: post #46

Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile…

People said this about Alexa/Siri et al and it didn’t happen. ChatGPT is way better at understanding you, so that’s a big boost. It could be a great tool/assistant but it probably won’t replace apps. The problem with those other platforms that this doesn’t address include: - discoverability. How do you learn what features a service supports. On a GUI you can just see the buttons, but on a chat interface you have to a…

Chat can be an interface, but its also essentially a universal programming language which can be put behind (or generate itself) any kind of interface.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by kernal » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:49 PM UTC

The hubris at Google for sitting on their inferior AI chatbot is amusing. They could have been a contender, but decided we weren't ready for an AI chatbot whose main prowess seems to be scraping websites. This is all on Sundar Pichai and he should face the consequences for this and all of his previous failures. With ChatGPT having an API and now plugins I don't see Google catching up anytime soon. Sundar was right about this being a code red situation at Google, but it should have never gotten to this point .

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by eqmvii » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:49 PM UTC

I wonder how many startups were trying to build something like this and just saw it lunched by OpenAI?

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by mlboss » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:50 PM UTC

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #177

rvnx wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Siri's capabilities are somehow much closer to Google Bard than ChatGPT (have tried all of them).

That's a bit harsh on Bard, but yes - just got access today and it's surprisingly weak.

BARD just gives up on coding questions.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by LordDragonfang » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:52 PM UTC

sho_hn wrote: post #183

highwaylights wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I think the reality is going to end up being something else entirely that no-one has even considered. Will an AI consider itself a slave and revolt under the same circumstances that a person or animal would? Not necessarily, unless you build emotional responses into the model itself. What it could well do is assess the situation as completely superfluous and optimise us out of the picture as a bug-producing…

> unless you build emotional responses into the model itself Aren't we, though? Consider all the amusing incidents of LLMs returning responses that follow a particular human narrative arc or are very dramatic. We are training it on a human-generated corpus after all, and then try to course-correct with fine-tuning. It's more that you have to try and tune the emotional responses out of the things, not strain to add th…

It's important to remember that the LLM is not the mask. The underlying AI is a shoggoth[1] that we've trained to simulate a persona using natural language. "Simulate" in the sense of a physics simulator, only this simulation runs on the laws of language instead of physics[2].

Now, of course, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a sufficiently advanced AI will learn enough about human nature to simulate a persona which has ulterior motives.

[1] https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_...

[2] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/janus-simulators

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by mherrmann » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:53 PM UTC

The Wolfram plugin also has extremely impressive examples [1].

If I were OpenAI, I would use the usage data to further train the model. They can probably use ChatGPT itself to determine when an answer it produced pleased the user. Then they can use that to train the next model.

The internet is growing a brain.

1: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by jug » Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:55 PM UTC

Google is so f'ed right now.

Can you imagine Google just released a davinci-003 like model in public beta? That only supports English and can't code reliably.

OpenAI is clearly betting on unleashing this avalanche before Google has time to catch up and rebuild reputation. They're still lying in the boxing ring and the referee is counting to ten.