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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Apple claimed “Unix” because Mach shipped with BSD tools for testing and research purposes. Now even Windows has a Linux compatibility layer now too and everyone but RTOS all run containers and VMS.

Funny story: even Apple switched to Linux in the Data Center. They doubled down on Appliances (which happen to run an OS).

Are people pressed that an appliance won’t fit hacker workstation/embedded needs!?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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It doesn't matter. I'm not losing sleep over an apt upgrade taking maybe 10 more seconds. I'd much rather live with that and have a little desktop that barely sips 5 watts of power total.

10 seconds? Heh. I measured apt upgrades in multiple minutes on the Pi 3B. And forget about doing anything else; the system would hang hard until I/O was cleared. By contrast, upgrading my desktop tower from HDD to SSD was an incredible, dramatic speedup in terms of booting and especially apt upgrades. The latter became nearly instantaneous. Blink and you miss them. Now, on the Pi I use only the heavy-duty brand-name…

What relevance is the Pi 3B in 2023? This is like invoking a 2016 Android phone against the latest Pixel.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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"Random third party binaries" are not something Linux users really use, generally. Most of it is open source and comes through the repository.

Indeed. The idea of flatpack is to change desktop linux culture by normalizing the installation of 3rd party software, particularly proprietary software that people otherwise wouldn't trust without some form of sandboxing. Who does this benefit? I can think of two groups of people. 1. Commercial software vendors who want more Linux users to install their proprietary software. 2. 'Transplants', new Linux users who are…

> The value proposition for experienced linux users who don't do that sort of thing in the first place is next to nil. The only applications that might benefit from such sandboxing are applications like browsers, which have large attack surfaces and might be compromised while browsing the net. But even this is mostly theoretical, not a realistic day-to-day concern for typical linux desktop users.

You are jumping to conclusions here. RCEs are probably more common than you think, and I'd prefer anything that interacts with the Internet to be sandboxed.

Flatpak allows me to easily sandbox Steam games. It provides an easy target to tell user to test against to eliminate distro-specific issues. It allows to run glibc-only software on distributions such as Alpine. It allows me to have multiple versions of a program installed concurrently. It prevents programs from cluttering my home directory, and sandboxing gives me extra peace of mind. As a non-root user, I can also install flatpaks. Ostree also usually makes updates more efficient.

If you use a couple flatpak apps, they are available regardless of your distribution. That helps when working on multiple different distributions.

Use an old-ish debian but need a feature from the latest unstable software ABC? Install ABC as a flatpak, and do not compromise the stability of the base system by enabling all sorts of external, unstable sources.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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> But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook ... Macs have the same issue, but you can turn off the feature that causes it.

How do you turn it off?

It's in System Preferences somewhere (good luck).

It's the option to allow software updates while your machine is asleep.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I prefer my OS put several hurdles in front of a key logging app.

Even if you downloaded that app explicitly for key logging? That's crazy! :)

... and the OS is supposed to determine your intent how?

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I feel privileged to watch this. I live in north Africa and I feel like taking a flight to California to go visit him, inquire about his health, tell him about my children progress at school, show him how much I love him and how much I'm grateful.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I just wish there were hardware to support a full switch to Raspbian. Ken has a lot of RPi 4. Those are usable as an interactive desktop but it's not a great experience, the hardware is just barely capable of being a responsive desktop OS. I really like what Google has been doing with ChromeOS and Chromebooks. I wish there were a program like Chromebooks for a Linux desktop. Arguably that is ChromeOS itself, but the…

FydeOS is Chromium OS. Works on Pi.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I don't think there are specific issues. The problem is that with each release of macOS usability, reliability and performance regress. If you're interested in these things and not so much in "bling" and questionable new features, then you'd share probably Ken's "atrocious" opinion. An example is the latest System Preferences. It's virtually unusable.

Seems overblown to me, been a macos user for over a decade and the ios-ification o f the mac hasn't been a big deal for me. My greybeard workflows still work the same (everything in iterm, using vim, tmux, all the "standard stuff"), sometimes updating xcode is a pain but w/e. Homebrew still chugging along. Parallels is fantastic. Performance of the M1 Max on my new mac studio is just heavenly. The changes to macos ha…

I love comments like these. Pure macOS Stockholm Syndrome. “Sometimes some things are a pain but it’s pointless to groan about it.” I mean you do you, but don’t blame other people for finding some of these issues more than they can stand.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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> I don't think I've touched the preferences "app" since I initially setup my mac studio. The moaning and groaning about how bad it is just seems so.....pointless to me. Have you considered that other people have usage requirements different from yours? Of course there's not much reason to complain about System Settings if you never use it, but that's missing the point.

His usage requirements is using it only once when he sets up his computer, which is probably a good thing for a preferences app. It works well for him, why shouldn't be able to say so? So we can keep this thread strictly about complaining? You could copy paste your comment to everyone here, "have you considered that other people use it differently".

He undermines his own point. He says he has no problem with System Preferences, and then essentially says he never uses it, explaining why he would have no problem with it.
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