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Re: Changes at YC

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I'd be very interested in the specifics of how and why late stage investing is so different that the success of YC in early stages doesn't translate.

Not privy to special information w.r.t. this change, but I can think of a few:

1. Breaking focus / competing on multiple fronts. Lots of firms specialize in A-stage or later. By investing in seed and later rather than just seed, the later stage firms see you as a "competitor" for, rather than a "supplier" of, early stage startups. You have that many more competitive relationships rather than cooperative ones.

2. LP fundraising. LPs have to make choices as to who to fund, especially in this economy. Later stage vetting, returns, etc are different than early stage. May not be worth the heavy lift of competing for LPs.

3. Specialization. Once you get into later stages, you get firms that specialize by industry vertical. Not just business (marketplace, fintech, hardware) but even within software (SaaS, dev tools, consumer, enterprise, etc). Might make it harder to make deals. You now have a multi-front problem where each potential counter-bidder for the deal lead has hyper specialization to the startup, whereas YC is a generalist by nature.

4. Competition for deal terms. Most of the time, the deal lead sets the terms. If you can't aggressively bid to lead deals, they may not get the best economy for each of the deals since the lead may have other priorities. This may produce less optimal returns vs just putting more money into seed.

5. Partner / investor preference. VCs compete for partners / investors. If partners in the late stage at YC are limited to only YC companies vs the whole late-stage market (or have other limitations), it may not work for them vs going to a firm with less terms.

Ultimately as a generalist investor, pre-seed/seed/A-and-later are very different markets. With interest rates this high and everyone being more picky, it becomes harder to outperform unless you can operate in that market independently. I suspect YC looked at a model for their returns and came to this conclusion.

Re: Changes at YC

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There's nothing diplomatic about it. It enrages me far more than the truth.

For you, but often for others it doesn't. It depends on if someone wants to believe the truth, or believe something else. Most want to believe something else.

hackers don't though; as a rule, hackers value truth over comfortable lies.

Re: Changes at YC

#223

I'd be very interested in the specifics of how and why late stage investing is so different that the success of YC in early stages doesn't translate.

All of Y Combinator startups try follow the same playbook: successfull exit, or successful IPO. YCombinator benefits from both.

Since most YCombinator startups never see any profit, late stage investment becomes a risky proposition since even "top YCombinator startups" lose billions of dollars a year, for years, with no path to profitability or recouping investments.

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Well since by and large you weren't allowed to not work in the Soviet Union being "laid off" normally meant you were being shipped off to a labor camp or being executed. Lets not pretend they didn't have millions in the gulags....

Unless you’re rich, you’re not allowed to not work in America either. Go ahead and try, you won’t last long. Even social support programs come with work requirements in some places [1].

Let’s not pretend America doesn’t currently imprison over two million people [2]. That’s where you end up if you’re poor and unlucky enough in America (being homeless is also criminalized in many places [3]).

[1] https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/health-policy-center/pr...

[2] https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america

[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeseq/2022/01/01/how-the-us-...

Re: Changes at YC

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> Seventeen of our teammates are impacted today. Never allow corporations to speak in passive, weak, blameless terms. Use direct, honest, language, and force them to do the same. "Seventeen of our teammates are impacted today." - > "We laid off 17 employees today" "I was impacted by layoffs" -> "Google laid me off" etc

I think this is just a matter of opinion. When something severe happens it's natural to not use the most harsh term to describe the event. It doesn't seems like something malicious. When describing a death many people will say "they are no longer with us" instead of describing the circumstance of death. When talking about traumatic events we as a society have a natural propensity to not use triggering words. There is…

>"It doesn't seems like something malicious."

No it seems like weaselicious to me.

Re: Changes at YC

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I wish there were some publicly available numbers to analyze here, but it seems likely that YC's late stage funds have lost a lot of money (on paper) doing late-stage investments at sky-high valuations over the years leading up to 2022 that are now down significantly as a result of the current startup downturn.

Folks who are thinking about these YC changes as a layoff are missing the point -- YC is exiting what had been a major part of their business (especially if measured by total dollars invested).

And from the outside it seems likely that the reason for the layoff is probably less that YC is in troubled financial straights and needs to cut costs on its operations, but because their late-stage investing business was losing money and YC has decided to give up on it and no longer has work for specialists in that work.

Re: Changes at YC

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Already linked to a source that shows the references to the programs are gone in my original comment; though that page is still there. Also, might be wrong, but “theinformation.com” as a source is insta ban as a result of it being a “hard walled” content; hard walled meaning it’s not possible to access the content via alternative means. If you have a source that’s not blocked, feel free to provide it, otherwise just…

Oof, I don't lurk here during work nearly as much as I used to - missed the memo about it being a banned source, do you have a link for that? In the past that source has unpaywalled articles specifically for HN readers so I'm saddened (but not really surprised) they decided to go for the full cashgrab. Not really sure what you want here - the evidence of those programs being affiliated with YC has been scrubbed from…

HN rarely comments on bans, though almost 60 submissions have been posted in past 30-days and every single one is dead.

Here’s a comment from dang, the only official HN mod, related to “hardwalled” submissions:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35074950

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