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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by d23 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #213
prepend wrote: post #113

I like that the corporate bullshit just keeps getting more. Google’s “don’t be evil” is many steps down from openai having open in their name. They should be called Open AI with ( not open) in small print. I argue a lot over “open source” software with non-OSI license and sometimes worry if I’m too pedantic. But I think it’s important to use terms accurately and not to confuse reality more than it already is by calli…

,,I wonder if google and openai truly started out with these ideals and were just corrupted and overpowered by standard organizational greed'' With Google Eric Schmidt explained how it came: quite often when they were breainstorming about product launches, and something looked like it can grow the company, but is immoral to do, some person interrupted: ,,that would be evil''. As Eric was trying to organize the compan…

Source? My understanding was this came from within and had nothing to do with products but instead how employees treated one another.

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

bradleyjg wrote: post #211
tapoxi wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the loophole. It's what Mozilla did (Foundation created Corporation, and moved employees there), and even IKEA is technically owned by a nonprofit (Stichting INGKA Foundation).

The IKEA situation is far more complicated, exploiting gaps in how the laws of several different countries interact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Corporate_structure

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by 523746849172 »

Lionga wrote: post #39

Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by permo-w »

neom wrote: post #212
permo-w wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the problem. he's making some quite valid criticisms of OpenAI. Jesus himself could be in charge of policy work there and that wouldn't change the fact that "Open"AI is anything but open

Two disparate thoughts.

if they were two disparate thoughts why did you put them next to each other with no indication of the disparity? and why do the two things have clear impact on each other?

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #214
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #167

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Yuuup. And just like with Facebook, real power ( information ) in the form of ingested data and prompts will be available to people like Altman, Thiel and Musk, while everyone is gushing over being able to build a simple website automatically ( which is arguably cool ). I wish I could trust FB to deliver on their promises, but this community's only hope is to ensure an open source version of gpt exists. edit: To the…

>I wish I could trust FB to deliver on their promises, but this community's only hope is to ensure an open source version of gpt exists. This is the worrisome part of it all. It's no longer programmer sweat and toil that creates the value, but raw compute, which has a fixed capital cost that cannot be surmounted by skill or dedication. I don't see how, short of massive crowdfunding, open source can possibly release a…

Hmm. Crowdfunding avenues exist. What is missing is trust ( also undermined by OpenAI ). I am trying to think who I would believe to have the knowledge, skill, PR skills ( or at least name recognition ) and ethics necessary to pull it off and I am drawing a blank. I am admittedly merely an interested party, but it does not bode well since the rest of the public knows or cares even less.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by xiphias2 »

d23 wrote: post #221
xiphias2 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

,,I wonder if google and openai truly started out with these ideals and were just corrupted and overpowered by standard organizational greed'' With Google Eric Schmidt explained how it came: quite often when they were breainstorming about product launches, and something looked like it can grow the company, but is immoral to do, some person interrupted: ,,that would be evil''. As Eric was trying to organize the compan…

Source? My understanding was this came from within and had nothing to do with products but instead how employees treated one another.

Tim Ferriss interview with him. It came from within, maybe I didn't explain myself clearly.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by rqtwteye »

pavlov wrote: post #16
3D29021196 wrote: post #11

Step by step, ever since the calling the diver a "pedo", every since the "funding secured" i've began to realise just how petty and pathetic elon is. Every opportunity he has he seems to show just how vindictive he really is. Man child who now has way too much money. Buying Twitter on a whim is the latest in a string of decisions which do not align with the "let's get to Mars and save earths environment" stuff he lik…

He's lost himself in the fake popularity of being a social media celebrity. He started believing that having 100 million followers on a web site really means that a continent's worth of people adore you. For all his complaints about bots after he got cold feet on the Twitter purchase, he seems strangely naïve about how social media really works and what's real there. “This is ridiculous,” he said, according to multip…

"He's lost himself in the fake popularity of being a social media celebrity. He started believing that having 100 million followers on a web site really means that a continent's worth of people adore you."

That seems to happen to almost all people who are popular on social media and Youtube. They have millions of loyal followers and it really gets to their head. The same happened to Jordan Peterson. He used to have good insights on psychology but lately he seems to believe he has perfect wisdom on everything and he has tons of people who tell him that.

As far as Musk goes, for me the breaking point was the Thai cave situation where he tried (and succeeded) to suck up attention with their submarine prototype although nobody working on it knew anything about cave diving. Sheer arrogance and attention seeking.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Post by neom »

permo-w wrote: post #224
neom wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two disparate thoughts.

if they were two disparate thoughts why did you put them next to each other with no indication of the disparity? and why do the two things have clear impact on each other?

I don't think they impact each other, I thought it was weird elon was taking random swipes at openai, but when I searched his Twitter for openai, the collection of tweets made it clear, interestingly for the same reason the article states (I tend to agree with Elon and the article).

In other news, imo, if a startup doing society altering work per the article is going to be closed, at least, imo, the people working there are decent people.

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