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Post by azangru »

slowmotiony wrote: post #197
newswasboring wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While your argument is kinda bad, its also incorrect. They moved to russia before the current war. Also its their home country, the world isn't progressive enough that this isn't every immigrant's default choice.

Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/…

> looks like he does indeed enjoy it

What in that twitter thread makes you think he enjoys it? The fact that he does not share a certain political opinion? Is a political belief, or lack of it, enough to enjoy life in a country?

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Post by bovermyer »

slowmotiony wrote: post #167
armini wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maintainers like Denis shouldn't be asking for donations, they should be sponsored the same way Nike sponsors athletes. If you're a burnt out open source maintainer or know someone who is, I'd love to talk to you. My job is to help create awareness about the issue with companies that depend on your package. I reached out to Denis because we all know he deserves better. Appreciate any leads you could additionally shar…

I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

Your lack of empathy in favor of blind group hatred is a pretty solid example of one of humanity's worst traits.

However, I'm not going to return the favor by ignoring your personal context.

Is the reason you're denouncing core-js's maintainer because you, yourself, have been subject to particularly awful circumstances owing to Russia's war? Are you projecting on him because you've been hurt? What's your situation?

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Post by conradfr »

danjac wrote: post #209

I contribute what amounts to a few euros a month to a few open source projects. I do these because these projects have significantly helped my career and added to my personal enjoyment. Perhaps not much in the grand scheme of things, but I feel I owe at least that much, especially if I'm not able to help in other ways (PRs for example). However, when I've asked employers to do the same - just throw what to them is wo…

Maybe in a parallel universe there's a culture of companies sponsoring x amount every year to the open source projects they use.

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Post by quietcomments »

fragmede wrote: post #49
akudha wrote: post #26

In one of my previous jobs, my CTO asked me who I thought was the most important person in the company was. I wasn’t sure. He pointed to the lady who was responsible for entering and maintaining data, on which the entire business was built upon. She was a quiet person, who did her job exceptionally well. Yet, most people didn’t know her or didn’t realize her importance. I am certain she wasn’t paid that well either.…

What I'm really struggling with is how much this contrasts with the story for the developers of Dwarf Fortress, who don't get that same hate and vitro piled on them, and in fact, people throw money at them because they want the developers to have money. To the tune of like $9 million or something! Whereas this guy, pouring his heart into something useful and not for fun, gets all this hate shoveled his way? I really…

There's an old story I fail to remember well.

One dog asks another why do you sleep inside on the rug in the warm, while I live outside in the doghouse on a chain?

The inside dog answers, because I entertain and you serve.

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Post by tekkk »

Well, this just proves unless you are willing to actually walk away you pretty much have zero leverage. I think he should have quit on the project long time ago to either have forced the big Co's to fund him or let someone else to take over. It's just what it is. The Github project in itself should provide him though with good prospects to get a good software engineer job.

I myself have as well restrained from working on / releasing certain projects because I know it would just bring me more hassle than benefit even if people did use them. World doesn't work on charity, sadly. But if you need the thing you build yourself as well, it shouldn't be that bad as long as you know to set your boundaries for what you're willing to do.

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Post by [deleted] »

cyral wrote: post #70
ricardobeat wrote: post #65

I can sympathize with the author's troubles, and wish he finds a well-paid position that still allows him to work on OSS. That said, the idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Practically nobody pays for JS modules except for very specific niches (e.g. a charting library) or product/technical support. Especially when it's an indirect dependency of tools you use. Maybe…

> - The idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Companies make more money by having their websites work in older browsers. If it wasn't for core-js, they would be paying developer time to write polyfills or compile and maintain them from various other single polyfill packages. Surely if they are willing to pay developers to do this in return for increased profits they…

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Post by newswasboring »

throwaway290 wrote: post #211
newswasboring wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have to be OK with the thanklessness of the task, and you have to seek your rewards elsewhere. Is this really how we want the world to be? Someone who is trying to help needs to be ok with being treated badly? I can understand not being put on a pedestal, but I think a "thank you" and a bit of gratefulness is warranted by people actively being helped.

The best way to do open source work is to consult or be employed and release open source stuff as part of your work. Otherwise it turns into politics, competition for money and popularity contest rather than product of passion. If you are as proficient as this guy you will find employers that do not mind open source work

... This guy wasn't able to find an employer like that, no?

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Post by SergeAx »

leosarev wrote: post #144
SergeAx wrote: post #69

I do understand that not a lot of people here really understand the sheer direness of his situation. He stuck in Russia because of unsettled problems regarding his conviction. He almost certainly cannot immigrate into most of the countries because of said conviction - to have a work permit one have to provide a certificate of good conduct. He is cut off most options to receive money from abroad and several means to r…

While Russain economics supposedly "deteriorating", it will be easy for him to found $5000 net a month job working as front-end developer, allowing to paying a mortgage for a pretty good flat and paying for private kindergarten.

Buying property in Russia right now is insanely bad investment. Quality of life includes access to customer goods (which are mostly imported, thus largely sanctioned) and medical care (which is heavily import-dependent too, and also prone to rapid brain drain).

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Post by KyeRussell »

slowmotiony wrote: post #219
101008 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you live? I am sure we will find a moral reason to suggest that if you do not leave your country you are a bad person.

Ukraine. I can't leave, another country invaded mine unprovoked and they are killing my people so I kinda have to stay. I am looking forward to your argument why this makes me a bad person.

The point is that it DOESN’T make you a bad person. You’ve just argued the other side. A country is not its government, especially in oppressive undemocratic regimes like Russia. This is basic shit. I am utterly truly sorry for the unimaginable horrors which you are going through. I genuinely couldn’t begin to understand how this must be for you. I hope I never do. This doesn’t give you a blank cheque to jump online and foster divisiveness between two groups of people just because one of them has a fucked up government that can’t possibly be argued to be representing them.

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Post by slowmotiony »

bovermyer wrote: post #222
slowmotiony wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

Your lack of empathy in favor of blind group hatred is a pretty solid example of one of humanity's worst traits. However, I'm not going to return the favor by ignoring your personal context. Is the reason you're denouncing core-js's maintainer because you, yourself, have been subject to particularly awful circumstances owing to Russia's war? Are you projecting on him because you've been hurt? What's your situation?

I'm just shocked at the reaction from the HN crowd in this post. The guy lives in the west but returns to Russia, then blames Ukraine for being invaded, actually kills a teen girl and writes shit about her in the very same post added to HN, and blames everyone around him for his situation. Yet HN loves him because he wrote a cool Javascript library. Blows my mind.
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