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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by AstixAndBelix »

asow92 wrote: post #202
AstixAndBelix wrote: post #59

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Saying that you "still rock" something barely 3 years old sounds.... strange. I still rock my 1983 Toyota, sure. I still rock my 20yo HiFi system. But I don't "still rock" my iPhone 11, it was only recently out of production for God's sake!

As an iOS developer, 3 years is a long time to upgrade.

My mother's iPhone 6 is running iOS 15, which will be supported by all the apps she uses for at least 2-3 more years, bringing the total lifetime of her smartphone close to 10 years.

Sure, Apple is pretty draconian when it comes to how much the developers have to keep their tooling up to date, but that's not the same on the consumer side anymore

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Post by mrtksn »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #186
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #174

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No that’s because your battery is old. Swap the battery and that “slow old phone” suddenly has the exact same speed as the current flagship

Interesting! i would have expected old battery to lead to keeping a charge for less time, but can you explain how it leads to worse perceived performance?

I don't know if it's still the case but on my old iPhone 6s, the geekbench score would differ depending on how full the battery is. Apparently Apple was pushing these processors on the limits of what the battery can deliver and once the battery degraded they need to lower the CPU/GPU speeds to prevent the device shutting off suddenly.

It even turned into a huge scandal of "Apple deliberately slowing down old iPhones" which was portrayed as if Apple is doing it to make you buy a new iPhone.

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Post by barbazoo »

skrowl wrote: post #210
lasfallas wrote: post #86

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2017 called and wants your comment back. Samsung is best Android manufacturer in class regarding OS upgrades and security updates, Bixby can be switched off and actually performs well in tests. Visible bloatware has been reduced significantly and most of the visible apps you can uninstall or deactivate.

lol, you can't tell iPhone zealots that their antiquated mocks are out of date. They're still using the same old stuff because they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years.

> they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years.

What about Emergency SOS?

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/11/emergency-sos-via-sat...

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Post by mrtksn »

GeekyBear wrote: post #200
mrtksn wrote: post #154

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Having the latest iOS is not the same as having the latest iOS on the latest hardware. As years go by, you get less features or less snappier experience. When my iPhone 6s received iOS 15, it didn't get the coolest stuff and the device performance was already less than decent. Even if the iOS itself wasn't slowing it down, the apps for iOS were made with expectation of higher performance.

As opposed to tossing an Android device into the landfill because it doesn't get any software support at all after a limited time? > Six years is an awfully long life span for a mobile device, and certainly puts the 6S in the running for the longest supported phone to date. The iPhone 5S was five years old when it got its last OS update with iOS 12 but wasn’t eligible for iOS 13. On the Android side, Samsung has made…

Apple is definitely doing great. It just would be cool of them if they provided option to unlock the device so maye go back to an older iOS or repurpose it for something else.

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Post by matsemann »

neither_color wrote: post #180
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #97

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You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.

You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. In practical terms that doesn't really happen. People still use device specific cables. If I have 4 USB-C devices and one lightning device I have 5 cables. If I replace the lightning device with a USB-C device, I still have 5 cables. The only time "cable consolidation" matters is when traveling or in a backpack. My USB-C security c…

I just have a 65W USB-C by my couch, which I use for everything. Charge my computer while on my lap, or my phone if it needs some more juice, my gopro after biking, my headset, my nintendo switch. Sooo convenient. One cable, works for every gadget I have.

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Post by isoprophlex »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #186
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #174

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No that’s because your battery is old. Swap the battery and that “slow old phone” suddenly has the exact same speed as the current flagship

Interesting! i would have expected old battery to lead to keeping a charge for less time, but can you explain how it leads to worse perceived performance?

These mobile processors are very aggressive in lowering power demand when there is little computational load. Then, when you open an app or give it anything to do at all, power consumption jumps by orders of magnitude.

An aged battery will show big voltage drops under load. What was looking like a fine and dandy voltage (voltage is used to infer state of charge) can suddenly plummet. It can get so bad that your phone might even shut down because it starts to undervolt.

So, choosing between the lesser of two evils, iOS throttles down max. power draw, and thus max. processing speed, when the battery ages. The alternative would be random shutdowns, or your battery jumping from 80 to 8% suddenly.

In settings -> battery -> health & charging you can check in which regime you are.

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cm2187 wrote: post #66
dangwhy wrote: post #53

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what does the battery health on the settings app say?

I don't think I have a battery health in settings. The apple store guy ran some sort of remote diagnostic (and there is no way it is at 100% after 4 years of daily usage). My point being that you can't really change those batteries on demand.

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Post by hamilyon2 »

CBarkleyU wrote: post #170
helf wrote: post #38

And? If you are in the Apple ecosystem, get an iPhone. If you are pleased with Android and not in Apple's ecosystem, then get something like the Samsung. Who the hell cares about this crap?

What about me? I want a high-end Android, non Chinese OEM, non Exynos-based, non shutter-speed-problem-riddled phone that guarantess >3 years of Android OS updates and has shown in the past to deliver on those promises and has a respectable battery life. Which phone should I get? Or am I too picky for something I want to pay >$1000 for?

Sony flagmans checks most of your boxes. Updates stop after 2 and a half years, true, but since it is android you can update to linageos. Battery life is pretty good, screen is excellent. As a bonus, it is less bulky than IPhone and bloatware... is manageable.

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Post by alliao »

itake wrote: post #29
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

lol same iphoneX here, just cracked my screen so maybe it us time to upgrade...

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Post by MrGilbert »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #174
itake wrote: post #29

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I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

No that’s because your battery is old. Swap the battery and that “slow old phone” suddenly has the exact same speed as the current flagship

Yes and no. Yes, iPhones get throttled when the battery is on the verge of going ex, but no for this particular device. I run an iPhone X with a new battery from November 2021 (serviced by Apple), with maximum capacity at 90%, and it really is slower compared to the old days.

But!

I'm not complaining. It's an almost 6 year old device. That means, for every year of usage, I payed roughly 200€, or 16€ per month. That's not too shabby, tbh.

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