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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by bombcar »

matwood wrote: post #182
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I agree. I didn't understand the big deal that it passed a google interview either. IMO, that said more about the uselessness of the interview than the 'AI'. Co-pilot has been semi-useful. It's faster than search SO, but like you said, I still have to review all the code and it's often wrong in subtle ways.

This is the meat of the issue - ChatGPT is exposing certain things a susceptible to bullshit attacks; humans have just been relatively bad at those.

It will turn out to be a useful tool for those who know what they’re asking about so they can check the answer quickly; but it will be USED by tons of people who don’t have a way of verifying the answers given.

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Post by [deleted] »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by maweaver »

brookst wrote: post #132
rcme wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

The biggest thing I’ve learned from chatGPT is that real people struggle with the difference between intelligence, understanding, and consciousness / sentience.

Which should be no surprise, as people have been grappling with these ideas for centuries, and we still don't have any definitive idea of what consciousness/sentience truly is. What I find interesting is that at one point the Turing test seemed to be the gold standard for intelligence, but chatGPT could pass that with flying colors. So how exactly will we know if/when true intelligence does emerge?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by wnkrshm »

williamcotton wrote: post #48
indigoabstract wrote: post #37

ChatGPT is, of course, a great piece of software, but the huge hype is probably what it will be best remembered for. Also, since currently, AI is the exclusive playground of big corporations, to me it's a bit puzzling how some people can get so excited (and maintain that excitement) over something that they cannot control and have little hope of building it by themselves. I guess some are just more in love with techn…

I assume that there will be an open and freely available model as large as ChatGPT within a year or so. Training costs are prohibitive but what about NSF grants?

I do think that governments will have an interest in keeping around models that they're in control of, just like there is publicly funded boradcasting, you may want to be able to control all the biases of a widely-used model and not just import it from somewhere.

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Post by rsynnott »

kriops wrote: post #214
rsynnott wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary For _what purpose_, tho? It's a good party trick, but its tendency to be confidently wrong makes using it for anything important a bit fraught.

If you work at a computer, it will increase your productivity. Revolutionary is not the word I'd use, but finding use cases isn't hard.

I can buy that it's a better/worse search engine (better in that it's easier to formulate a query and you get the response right there without having to parse the results; worse in that there's a decent chance the response is nonsense, and it's very confident when it's being wrong about things).

I can't really imagine asking it a question about anything I cared about and not verifying via a second source, though, given its accuracy issues. This makes it feel a lot less useful.

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Post by carlosjobim »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #103

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

> The human is computation also, unless you believe in souls or other worldly mysticism.

I think it is incredibly sad that a person can be reduced to believing humans don't have souls. Do something different with yourself so you can discover the miracle of life. If you don't believe there is anything more to people and to the world than mechanical processes, I would challenge you to do a powerful spiritual activity.

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Post by moron4hire »

auctoritas wrote: post #141
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

The problem is that ChatGPT is about as useful as all the other dilettantes claiming to be polymaths. Shallow, unreliable knowledge on lots of things only gets you so far. Might be impressive at parties, but once there's real, hard work to do, these things fall apart.

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Post by [deleted] »

kriops wrote: post #214
rsynnott wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary For _what purpose_, tho? It's a good party trick, but its tendency to be confidently wrong makes using it for anything important a bit fraught.

If you work at a computer, it will increase your productivity. Revolutionary is not the word I'd use, but finding use cases isn't hard.

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by brookst »

Joker_vD wrote: post #203
brookst wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re right, but that just means parent doesn’t understand copilot and is off tilting at windmills. Copilot is amazing for reducing the tedium of typing obvious but lengthy code (and strings!). And it’s inline and passive; it’s not like you go edit -> insert -> copilot function and it dumps in 100 lines of code you have to debug. Which is what it sounds like parent is mistaking it for. I’m reminded of 1995,…

> Copilot is amazing for reducing the tedium of typing obvious but lengthy code (and strings!) Which it occasionally mistypes. Then you're off to chase a small piece of error in a tub of boilerplate. Great stuff! For actual example, see [0] [0] https://blog.ploeh.dk/2022/12/05/github-copilot-preliminary-...

You must be a much better programmer than I if those are examples you’d use copilot for. I was thinking more like:

   start_value = get_*start_value(user_input)*
   self.log.d*ebug(‘got start_value {start_value}’)*
. . . where the would-be italics are what copilot would likely suggest for completion.

And if it’s wrong, you just. . . keep typing. It’s autocomplete, just like IDEs have for other things. I’m kind of astounded that people have such an emotional reaction to an optional, low-key, passive, easily-ignored tool that sometimes saves a bunch of typing. Yes, if you always accept the suggestions you’ll have problems. Just like literally every other coding assistance tool.

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