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it's not colonial
No? Who is doing the killing in Ukraine right now? A lot of them don't look Slav to me at all. Russia has built the definition of an imperial army. Once I see the moscovites dying in droves for more territory (9 time zones is never enough), we can talk more.
International Security and Estonia 2023
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Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
For context: in USSR a person could not choose to move to live in another area, city or town. that was VERY difficult to do (was possible by marriage). Baltic countries and any close to border areas were especially controlled. But military, KGB and Communist party could appoint people to live in Baltic countries. those were "special" people - that proved their allegiance I can say. That is why they are a challenge to…
My understanding is the Estonian-Russian border as it is currently has been in place over 100 years, is this inaccurate?
So the border is old but the ethnic borders are very new and based on very recent Russian colonisation.
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
#223I wonder why Russia gets a pass from the left and right on being pretty brutal colonial empire. Even in present day borders Russia is composed of literally hundreds of colonised nations that get exploited and brutalised for the benefit of Moscow.
Can you point to at least one historical analysis which identifies Russia as a colonial empire? Seeing people draw this parallel was surprising to me, as I associate colonialism with the European conquerors of the world: Portugal, Spain, France, Great Britain, The Netherlands and Germany. Indeed I’ve gotten this list from a GEO Magazine special issue dedicated to colonialism, showing on a map where each of those coun…
Is this even a debate? Do you need an analysis also showing that the UK was a colonial empire? The second bit is trivial, it was called the Russian Empire. The first bit is also trivial, they had colonies in North America, for example.
> I associate colonialism with the European conquerors of the world
Russia is (historically) a European country. It only has land in Asia because of imperialism and colonisation.
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
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It’s just nonsense. If the agresor wants to invade the country- they do that regardless. Germany-Poland the obvious example. If anything, the discrimination of local russian minority makes look it extremely injusted and oppressive.
If you legalize a sizeable population loyal to another country, they can be manipulated to derail political processes in the host country via normal democratic procedures. Things like NATO or EU ascension become challenging. Estonia was right to nip this in the bud.
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
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It's been understated in the US because the US did something similar marching westward across the continent.
Are you equating the control that the USA exerts over countries like Holland, Germany, and France with the control that The Kremlin exerted over countries like Poland, Lithuania, and Georgia?
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
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My understanding is the Estonian-Russian border as it is currently has been in place over 100 years, is this inaccurate?
Yes, but most Russians living in Estonia are post-1945 colonists or descendants of post-1945 colonists. I had imagined that the bulk of the population have a long and storied history in Estonia, but they don't. For example, no ethnic Estonians were allowed to return to Narva after the war, and was instead settled overwhelming mostly by Russian colonists. Narva is the third biggest city in Estonia, and 88% Russian. Pr…
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Narva
Of note, “The status of Narva was resolved in a July 1917 referendum, when the district population, at that time roughly equally divided between ethnic Russians and Estonians, voted to attach itself to the newly autonomous and soon to be independent republic of Estonia.”
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
#227I wonder why Russia gets a pass from the left and right on being pretty brutal colonial empire. Even in present day borders Russia is composed of literally hundreds of colonised nations that get exploited and brutalised for the benefit of Moscow.
Can you point to at least one historical analysis which identifies Russia as a colonial empire? Seeing people draw this parallel was surprising to me, as I associate colonialism with the European conquerors of the world: Portugal, Spain, France, Great Britain, The Netherlands and Germany. Indeed I’ve gotten this list from a GEO Magazine special issue dedicated to colonialism, showing on a map where each of those coun…
Indigenous peoples living in Russia like Mansis are simply not known about, while everyone has heard of Incas, Apaches and Comanches and their fate. The actual Russian-Russia is pretty small and borders Eastern Europe. Most of the territory you see on maps has historically belonged to indigenous peoples and is still dominated by them in many regions outside of major cities, wouldn't surprise me if the majority of land area of Russia to this day had ethnic majority of non-Russians. Their culture and language has been suppressed for a long time to turn them into loyal Russians, the same way US and Canadian and many other governments destroyed traditional lifestyle, forced resettlement, forced indigenous children into state schools and so forth. The difference from historic colonialism is that it's still happening in present day, and on a scale that has not been seen elsewhere in a long time - by that, I mean the war in Ukraine, also colonial in nature in what motivates Russia, and how they disproportionally conscript ethnic minorities to fight and die for Russia.
Anglo-american histography is fairly self-centered on these topics, lots of focus on American slave trade and colonialism by Western Europe, but very little on what happened in the rest of the world. This feeds into perception that the colonial history of the Americas is unique, that only blacks have been slaves, that only western countries have been colonial, etc while we have a large country in Europe even in 2023 that wants to establish politic and economic control over a nation of 40 million people, exploit them in every way, and impose foreign language and culture on them. And it's been like this for centuries.
If you want to get started somewhere, then I'd avoid publications that explicitly set to prove or disprove colonialism. Instead, read a balanced history of Eastern Europe and Russia, especially from the perspective of smaller nations if you can, and make up your own mind. You may discover that the life of farmers in Latvia in early 19th century wasn't that much different from Antebellum South. Same overall story, different setting.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
That article does not seem to have been updated given the recent massive trove of information provided by the Twitter files. [1] A group, "Hamilton 68", was a central source on the "Russian trolls" narrative. They were widely cited, frequently as an exclusive source, by media and congressmen alike. They had a secret list of 644 "Russian trolls" whom they surveilled and used to populate their dashboard on the latest t…
> A group, "Hamilton 68", was a central source on all of the "Russian trolls" narrative. That is not backed up by even the overly breathless Twitter Files coverage. Post #3: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1619029780179075073 "Unlike #ReleaseTheMemo, this one is primarily being driven by data from Hamilton68." The Wikipedia article covers substantially more involvement than Twitter bots.
So any investigation carried out by our intelligence community can be well expected to have also taken Hamilton 68 as an authoritative source. It's something akin to the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree. A -> B -> C -> D. But when it turns out that A is invalid, suddenly so is everything else that used it. So that entire article needs to be rewritten from scratch with consideration of the sources and their relationship to data that has been shown to, itself, be genuine disinformation.
One other small thing I'd mention here is that I think the chances of this having only happened or applied to Twitter are very near zero. We simply don't have access to e.g. the FBI Files, or the Facebook files, or the NYTimes files. Which is part of the reason why I said I'm quite looking forward to reading the book about today, in 20 years!
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
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>Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the European Parliament,[4][32] Ukraine[33] alongside 22 countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[34]
now do the bit about academic debate
Re: International Security and Estonia 2023
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I meant industrialization as a general government direction, not as an official Party policy buzzword: the Soviet state just did not care about the agricultural population except as a potential source of workers for the industry. The droughts and the epidemic still did not stop the grain exports (again, the main source of income for the state before, during, and after the famine, even per the official statistics) or…
do you expect a serious response