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Quitting the rat race

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Re: Quitting the rat race

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I might be a bit harsh, but this is a typical western le bon sauvage misunderstanding about what goes on in the wilderness. I also grew up in the mountains (of Eastern Europe), and I equally despise the eye-rolling fakery and the hustle and bustle of modern day Los Angeles. I love camping, and I surf, and kayak, scuba dive, offroad, and explore. But I don't make the category mistake of thinking the former is somehow…

Endurance test: If this guy gets into an accident in the mountains, will he call the civilization and its machines to bail him out, and give him medical attention?

I do my adventures without medical insurance, looking up nearby clinics, and there is no embassy to turn to and no emergency contact. I try to be careful, but if there was an accident I’d accept this is the end of the journey.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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Happiness, it's what you don't have - that's the oldest hustle in the world.

I was just cursing a pile of sticks that were too damp to light and I was being deprived of the bonfire I had assembled and was preparing to light, and I was laughing because in the words of Buckaroo Banzai, "wherever you go, there you are." I've achieved a kind of temporary exit for as long as my means permit, and I can say that the real that the rat race conceals is not for everyone.

My trip up the hedonic treadmill was such that I even wrote professionally about the sort of things one might buy in the hopes of finding a there there, pitching stories about exotic experiences one could have for the price of a vacation. There isn't a there there. There is no yacht long enough, club exclusive enough, view stunning enough, or achievement great enough that it makes you any different from the person standing on the subway platform. You will be the same person. I guarantee that if you flame out of your job, cash in your savings and manage to summit Everest, the first thing you will do when you get to the top is check your phone. The things that seemed so important were only symbolic. Pursuit of symbols specificially disqualifies us from attaining the meaning they represent. Maybe the humility is worth it, as yeah, the things I achieved were symbols that don't mean the same things now that I have them, but that's the treadmill, the pursuit of symbols and representations - affect.

I can say with some confidence that you only actually have what is yours to share, not all of it is good, and meaning only exists in the moment of sharing it. I can also say that unhappy people are not lonely, as their misery and self involvement keeps them from noticing it. I think to really understand what it means to be lonely, you need to find some happiness first, then when you move to share it with someone who isn't there, that's the feeling. That absence of no one in particular, but with the sense of having lost someone close. It is truly a rarefied experience I am glad to have been able to appreciate, but it's not a solution to anything. If you want to exit the rat race, try camping first, maybe a longish canoe trip, or read some good literary fiction. Ultimately, it's just you.

This is all to say, we invent the conditions we impose on our choosing happiness. They are symbolic and representations, they are not the real, and the real is not far or exotic. It's perhaps easier to believe we are unfufilled by our successes, and that there is another life out there if we just leave all this behind, as it puts off recognizing that we're probably just idiots in profoundly difficult ways.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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You spend most of your life at work (at least in the US). 24 hours in a day. 8 of them spent working. 1 hour for lunch. ~2 hours getting ready for work/sleep each day. 8 hours for sleep... that leaves you with ~5 hours per day, but you also have to do chores around the house, maybe pickup/dropoff kiddos, commute (if you don't work from home), and cook dinner and clean up afterwards. If you have 2 hours a day to yours…

What do you mean by “fucked”? If you don’t enjoy your job, you’re fucked? Seems like you’re saying you’re fucked unless you work less hours.

And in the US it is rare to be able to get health insurance without working full time. Good luck with that.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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post #11

I might be a bit harsh, but this is a typical western le bon sauvage misunderstanding about what goes on in the wilderness. I also grew up in the mountains (of Eastern Europe), and I equally despise the eye-rolling fakery and the hustle and bustle of modern day Los Angeles. I love camping, and I surf, and kayak, scuba dive, offroad, and explore. But I don't make the category mistake of thinking the former is somehow…

there's a reason humans build cities. The wild is out to kill you. Pretty but deadly.

The dude is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Going into the wild with his civilization made gadgets, and the assurance that he can come back.

The wild without that? It’s wild.

A more balanced approach is to move to the country-side and work remote. Many people do that. But I guess that wouldn’t be too novel to get Twitter and social media attention.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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I am in my mid 20s. I have about $200k saved and I think about quitting everyday, even though it would probably be disastrous for my career. I look up and I see colleagues in their 40s-50s. 20-30 years of experience in the industry, with the performance of their RSUs they probably easily have $2m+ net worth. I really don't understand why they don't quit. Just a naive example: Buy a cheap house ($250k) and live off of…

It's not going to be disastrous for your career. It will have an impact, but one you can recover from -- if you're lucky, even fully recover.

I quit at 33, didn't work for 3 years, had the best time of my life.

Then I got a fun, flexible job that paid below market, but more than paid the bills, and didn't take up all my time and still allowed me to do what I wanted with a decent-sized chunk of every day.

After a couple of years of that, I ended up with an adult job, and my hours are no longer flexible, but it is fully remote and pays about market for a HCOL area, while I can live anywhere I want in the USA.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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>I’m excruciatingly lucky to have been in the right place at the right time

This article is just another reminder that techbros making bank can afford the luxury to save-up a few years, and spend years contemplating their self-realization. I'm glad the author was able to finance their perspective-changing journey, but reading this is less of a lesson, and more of reading that someone won the lottery.

You can only leave the rat race if you can afford to... The rest of the earth can't do this and the author is writing from a place of great (earned) privilege. Must be nice.

Re: Quitting the rat race

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post #113

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>The carbon footprint of the average New Yorker is among the smallest in the world Where does that come from? I struggle to see how any person living in the first world could be amongst those with the smallest carbon footprint.

I was also curious. Looks like a typical New Yorker has about 30% less than an average US citizen [1] [2]. But it’s not less than, say, someone living off the land without electricity and subsistence farming. Maybe among smallest in the world for a large city? 1. https://www.livescience.com/13772-city-slicker-country-bumpk... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/mar/23/city-dwe...

I think your source [1] is directionally correct but very wrong on the numbers. (It's also a decade old, but that doesn't explain these errors.) For example, it says (last sentence) that Americans average 6 tons per person per year. It's actually around 15 [2]. Also, the densest urban cores have per household (and person) carbon emissions ~half the national average. Here's a recent NYT [3].

2. https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states?country...

3. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/13/climate/clima...

Re: Quitting the rat race

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bluntly, every person I know who's expressed these kinds of sentiments is guilty of the same mistake: externalizing their happiness. They inevitably move, only to find the new place they're in sucks, just in different ways. Or they find another job, but just discover more things they hate there. Or they find a new partner, only to discover a new set of annoyances. The same psychology leads people to think they'll be…

> They inevitably move, only to find the new place they're in sucks, just in different ways. A recovering alcoholic friend of mine once told me this syndrome is well known in 12 step programs. They call it "doing a geographical."

No matter where you go, there you are.
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