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Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by Night_Thastus »

lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

16:10? That's a dead format. It was seeing some popularity around ~2006 but quickly died out as 16:9 took over.

21:9 is the popular ultra-widescreen option. 16:9 is the popular regular option. Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by icegreentea2 »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #221
lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

16:10? That's a dead format. It was seeing some popularity around ~2006 but quickly died out as 16:9 took over. 21:9 is the popular ultra-widescreen option. 16:9 is the popular regular option. Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

There has been a very recent (last year or two) mild resurgence in 16:10 in some segments of the market. For example, while the Thinkpad T14 is still 16:9, the T14s, X1 Carbon, some of the P line are 16:10. The most recent XPS 13 and 15 are also 16:10.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by ptero »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #221
lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

16:10? That's a dead format. It was seeing some popularity around ~2006 but quickly died out as 16:9 took over. 21:9 is the popular ultra-widescreen option. 16:9 is the popular regular option. Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

I prefer 16:10 to 16:9 by far. While the difference might feel small, the usability improvement from seeing more lines of code is very noticeable for me.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by spijdar »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #221
lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

16:10? That's a dead format. It was seeing some popularity around ~2006 but quickly died out as 16:9 took over. 21:9 is the popular ultra-widescreen option. 16:9 is the popular regular option. Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

I'll give a good faith reply to this, many laptops in recent years have moved to a 16:10 aspect ratio. MacBooks have used it (infamously) since the late 2000s, while brands like Dell have recently shifted (some of) their XPS laptops to 16:10 displays. My understanding is it's become very popular across "macbook like" ultraportables in all the major brands for its greater vertical resolution.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by nortonham »

lhl wrote: post #198
doublepg23 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m holding out hope on System76 designing truly custom hardware and we reach the fabled “MacBook of Linux” someday. As of now their Clevo rebadges don’t appeal to me, though their “custom” desktops do.

Star Labs is making what you're looking for with their StarFighter laptop, although you'll be paying MacBook Pro like pricing for it (and delivery would be in March at the earliest): https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter

starblabs look great. Great specs, coreboot, support for many linux distros....but I'm still waiting on my starbook mk VI since about last sping. It's frustrating, but I know they've had problems in the supply chain.

I'm happy to support a company like that obviously, but it's still frustrating.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by nortonham »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #149
linhns wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you get what you pay for. Nicer hardware = more expensive. Maybe if this is successful the System76 will consider fast-tracking Ryzen 7000.

Except System76 charges premium prices for subpar hardware... Like they don't have anything built as nicely as a Dell XPS or a ThinkPad Z or X1 Carbon. Even Acers look more premium...

they're charging more, but I always assumed that's because they're a smaller company based in the US paying US wages. Also a while back they mentioned that they wanted to build everything here in the US. They also support linux, coreboot, etc. I think there are people out there willing to spend money to support something they care about.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by emaro »

tssva wrote: post #133

Last time there was a System76 laptop announcement on HN I said I was going to be in the market for a new laptop in the coming year but wouldn't consider a System76 laptop because of the giant logo on the lid. Some people said the logos on their System76 laptops were stickers which could be removed. I contacted System76 and was told that was no longer the case. If anyone from System76 is here, I am currently looking…

I think the Purism laptops have no branding, if that is a priority for you.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by manifoldgeo »

I recently bought a System76 Oryx Pro 9, and I could not for the life of me get Debian to boot from a USB. The same USB booted on my old Galago Pro, so I know it was good. The Oryx Pro runs on some FOSS UEFI or BIOS made by System76 themselves, and it doesn't play nice with anything but Ubuntu and Pop!_OS.

I filed a support ticket asking for help, and they told me they only support Ubuntu and Pop. On one hand, I understand having service desk limits, but their garbage UEFI and lack of support left me no choice but to return the laptop. In fact, I thought this article was going to be about people returning laptops to System76!

I really hope they get their game together and make a pre-boot system that can handle non-Ububtu stuff easily. The previous System76 I had was able to handle a Debian install just fine.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by whydid »

manifoldgeo wrote: post #228

I recently bought a System76 Oryx Pro 9, and I could not for the life of me get Debian to boot from a USB. The same USB booted on my old Galago Pro, so I know it was good. The Oryx Pro runs on some FOSS UEFI or BIOS made by System76 themselves, and it doesn't play nice with anything but Ubuntu and Pop!_OS. I filed a support ticket asking for help, and they told me they only support Ubuntu and Pop. On one hand, I unde…

It's a bit judgmental to call their UEFI "garbage" just because it didn't work correctly for you.

I agree it's frustrating they don't support booting other operating systems, but please be fair or provide some more evidence before you call some software "garbage"

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by philliphaydon »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #221
lhl wrote: post #117

This might be the first Ryzen 6800U Linux laptop, which is cool, but it's a bit hard for me to get too excited about it... * One of the biggest selling points of Ryzen 6000 is the chip's USB4 support, but looks like the Pangolin won't have it. It also only has 1 USB-C port, which is a bit of a headscratcher in 2023. Does it support PD even? (Not mentioned) * 16:9 FHD display (no brightness specified) - high refresh i…

16:10? That's a dead format. It was seeing some popularity around ~2006 but quickly died out as 16:9 took over. 21:9 is the popular ultra-widescreen option. 16:9 is the popular regular option. Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

> Acting like 16:10 is the direction the industry is going is just bizarre.

The industry is moving to 16:10…

The last 3 laptops I bought are all 16:10. The 2022 Dell XPS 15 I got last year is 16:10.

It’s bizarre you’re unaware the industry is moving in this direction…

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