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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Unfortunately, the world is such that losing a job is the least pain and torture. In India, a Lady, Nupur Sharma merely quote the Hadith about Mohammad's marriage to Aisha and she had to go underground. Many people lost their lives. The Islamists call for 'San Tan se Juda' - Separation of the Head from the Body. The Islamic world needs a renaissance.

I think more than nupur saga a decade ago a professors hand was chopped off for alleged blasphemy. This might be more relevant to the headline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_T._J._Joseph

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post #148

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This is unironically a very good point. The intolerance that many trans-rights activists show to those who don't accept that a man with a 'female gender identity' is a woman is similar to the intolerance that many followers of Islam show to non-believers. No-one on the gender critical side has been beheaded yet, but there is a surprisingly large "kill the terfs" movement that parallels the extremism of Islamists.

What you're reading as "intolerance" is likely a defense and self-preservation mechanism. Let's put this whole subthread in perspective. Someone told a story about how they "got scolded" and then two replies later the conversation has drifted to the idea that LGBTQ don't exist, their movement parallels one of the most inflammatory boogeymen you can use in US political discourse, and the only reason they haven't come…

I'm sincerely sorry that my comment on a totally unrelated topic has led to such comments; if I had known that someone would bring up a supposed similarity with LGBTQ struggles I would have completely refrained from commenting. I guess deleting the original comment now doesn't make sense either.

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The painting in question: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Mohammed...

It's a gorgeous piece of art and I am truly surprised that even the faithful would see this as blasphemous. Islamic art is really underappreciated in the west.

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post #166

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They aren't committing atrocities because they don't have the resources for that, not because they are ethical and chose not to. Weakness is not a virtue, we shouldn't give them credit for it.

What makes you come to the conclusion that they would "commit atrocities"? On the one hand there is constant and widespread violence perpetrated against the LGBTQ, on the other there are vague threats by a couple of anonymous accounts, and your conclusion is that "they aren't committing atrocities because they don't have the resources"? I find this comment really insensitive, to say the least.

Let me rephrase it: they were not given a choice of committing something or not, so we don't know what they would choose if they were. I'm not saying they would (I see now that my comment can be read as if I did), I'm just saying that not having this choice is not a virtue.

It's like if someone said the Elon Musk is bad because he invested X amount of money into Y, and I'm better because I didn't (suppose I'm broke and I spend my days in a basement playing games). The "I'm better part" is flawed because we don't know what I would do if I was given his choice.

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I'm not alt-right and I'm not white and I'm not religious. I agree completely with that view.

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Is it? When non-puppy-kicking people are willing to publicly say "I don't kick puppies, but I agree with the puppy kickers' view that the sky is blue", the correct reaction is not to reevaluate puppy kicking (much less trying to subtly taint those people as crypto-internalized-puppy-dislikers).

The correct reaction is to look up.

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> I wonder. Why are this classes still opened to muslim students? Because this is an exaggeration: > Students don't seem to appreciate the effort. Each single time, somebody will feel justified to use this situation to feel outraged and punish the teacher. I don't know what causes you to feel this way, but it's just not true. That some students cause outrage at one small school, that doesn't mean students or Muslims…

> Because this is an exaggeration Not. Is a risk, and risks should be addressed. > the last time this was controversy in the news that I can remember were the terrorist attacks a decade ago 2020: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty Universities and schools should meet over a common protocol for damage control and stop the problem for good. This lectures are like throwing blood in a shark pool; any ext…

2021: A school in northern England apologised on Thursday (25.03.2021) and suspended a teacher for showing a caricature of the Muslim prophet Muhammad in class, sparking a protest movement

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-56590417

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If LGBTQ are not OK with their gender and the movement's figureheads being talked about in ways that are not within the rules of their safe spaces, they shouldn't be shoving it down everyone's throats constantly, and we should act as if they don't exist. You think being LGBTQ is important? I don't care, I can't talk about them anyway, so it won't be part of my world of ideas. This has been my position on this topic s…

There's a difference though: You were talking about them, and not some public figure you are supposed to be following. When you are talking about me to my face, I'd really like you to use the proper form of address, otherwise you are insisting on being disrespectful.

So, imagine your grandfather was in the nazi camps, he struggles to stay alive every day, he doesn't lie, cheat, or do anyone wrong, he does stand his ground, he defends the weak, feeds the poor even if it's his own food, how would you feel if someone mocked him in your face? called him a warlord, a traitor, a nazi associate, made derogatory cartoons of him etc.

And this just doesn't come close to what he did and the battles he fought and the pain he's been through, all done to praise God and obey his commands, all to spread the message of God to the world, and he's been reciting a verse about the Idols and how they've wasted a lot of lives along with another verse, and he cries and raises his hands to the sky saying: Oh God my people, my people. as in "God I am afraid for my people".

He's dearer to us than ourselves.

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This was the wrong decision. Liberal institutions in the west have begun to increasingly yield to the demands of extremist minority views and doing so only emboldens them. You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class. Even speaking positively or respectfully discussing the protected classes in a vaguely defined wrong way…

You are allowed to insult brown people of other faiths without repercussion. Honestly there are only two faiths that can get you cancelled with a high degree of success. To phrase this as some anti-christian white-only intifada is dis-genuine.

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> Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state? Critical race theory needs to be treated the same as other pro-discrimination ideologies. Either they're all ok or none are ok. Picking and choosing one type of racial discrimination to support is in fact racist. After all, Ibram X. Kendi who is generally regarded as the foremost…

> Either they're all ok or none are ok. Ibram X. Kendi is making a few points in the quoted passage. The first is that it's not enough to just say "no more discrimination" after the entire system has already been set up to discriminate. That just results in a system that perpetuates discrimination. To illustrate with an example: you and I sit down to play a game of Monopoly. Except instead of letting you play from th…

Your analogy doesn't work because it assumes anything that happens to your ancestors necessarily affects you directly for every generation that comes after, forever. Your monopoly example is using a game that you and I play in directly against each other, when the reality is we have no idea how much positive or negative impact the ancestors of any given person has had on their lot in life.

Do you think people in Appalachia or a trailer park near you who have lived in generational poverty are some how benefited by their skin color? That would assume upper class people associate themselves with lower class, just due to skin color. But we know really that it's based on in groups and out groups. To test this, ask the average upper or upper middle class educated white person to describe the average trailer park dweller with the same color skin, and see their response.

It also assumes a lot of things based on skin color alone. If the concern is that we want to help those who need financial assistance, or educational assistance or whatever then there are ways to do that with means testing, not by relying on a Sherwin Williams color chart held up against your skin.

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Is it? When non-puppy-kicking people are willing to publicly say "I don't kick puppies, but I agree with the puppy kickers' view that the sky is blue", the correct reaction is not to reevaluate puppy kicking (much less trying to subtly taint those people as crypto-internalized-puppy-dislikers). The correct reaction is to look up.

To be clear, the sentiment that is alt-right is

> You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class.

White, cis, hetero, Christian, men as a class are some of the most protected and powerful people in this country. POTUS, Supreme Court Chief Justice, Speaker of the House Representatives, Senate Majority Leader, Attorney General, Director of FBI... all white, all men, all straight, all cis, all but one Christian. All state governors are currently white.

This is not to say that a white, cis, hetero, Christian man cannot face hardship or discrimination. But to pretend such people as a class aren't systematically protected in our society, when this class sits on top of most power structures in society, serves to dilute the entire idea of anti-discrimination, which honestly seems to be much of the point in making such claims.

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