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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by odysseus »

benmorris wrote: post #162

ChatGPT is already chipping away at my Google searches. I'm more and more just starting there for coding related questions. I've had chatgpt help me with the following just this week among other things. - solved a complex issue with scaling and transformations using pixijs upon providing a code example. The solution was 99% there and saved me hours of debugging. - refactored JavaScript to the async/await pattern - si…

Can you use ChatGPT without a phone number yet? I thought about signing up a while ago but don't see a reason they need my phone number. Popular VOIP numbers don't work either.

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Post by gl-prod »

jfk13 wrote: post #183
burnished wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, the one you got id basically correct.

And comparing these two results for the same question serves to illustrate how ChatGPT does not in any meaningful sense _understand_ what it is "talking" about . It basically just strings together relevant-seeming words in a plausible way. The result may be useful, or it may be nonsense. You'd better know enough (and be alert enough) to tell the difference...

And because of how it responds to them, people often forget that ChatGPT is just a language model, not an all-knowing AI.

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Post by pixl97 »

wut42 wrote: post #55
nowherebeen wrote: post #8

ChatGPT will flood the internet with articles like how SEO was used to hack search. It might not replace search engine, but search results will becomes even more irrelevant.

I can imagine AI replacing search engines in a somewhat far future, but in the meantime, it'll mostly be used to flood the internet with many low quality articles. Consequence will be as you said, but I also wonder if it won't lower the quality of new AI trainings as well.

How long before the AI learning from itself dominates the literature people read influencing how we speak and think?

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Post by crummy »

odysseus wrote: post #221
benmorris wrote: post #162

ChatGPT is already chipping away at my Google searches. I'm more and more just starting there for coding related questions. I've had chatgpt help me with the following just this week among other things. - solved a complex issue with scaling and transformations using pixijs upon providing a code example. The solution was 99% there and saved me hours of debugging. - refactored JavaScript to the async/await pattern - si…

Can you use ChatGPT without a phone number yet? I thought about signing up a while ago but don't see a reason they need my phone number. Popular VOIP numbers don't work either.

> don't see a reason they need my phone number

Apparently it costs OpenAI a couple cents per prompt. So I assume this is an attempt to limit spam to keep costs down.

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Post by janalsncm »

I’m a bit surprised that a product manager for a search team would put forward arguments like this. ChatGPT isn’t a search engine, but that doesn’t mean it won’t be a significant part of a search engine product.

Query correction is a common component in search engines. “Did you mean” is everywhere. It is just one component in a search pipeline.

The stupid simple integration I’m sure Google will release is to put ChatGPT on top of the search results rather than the query itself. The question at that point is the economics of it: how much does it cost per query, and how much extra value can Google derive (or avoid lost value i.e. lost customers).

This is an advantage that Google has over upstarts like Kagi and DDG: Google can keep their cost per query much lower since they don’t buy their results from other sources.

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Post by janalsncm »

nowherebeen wrote: post #8

ChatGPT will flood the internet with articles like how SEO was used to hack search. It might not replace search engine, but search results will becomes even more irrelevant.

Isn’t that essentially the point of companies like Jasper.ai? Their explicit promise is to use bots to write content to rank on the first page [1].

[1] https://www.jasper.ai/surfer

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Post by romeros »

holoduke wrote: post #215
benmorris wrote: post #162

ChatGPT is already chipping away at my Google searches. I'm more and more just starting there for coding related questions. I've had chatgpt help me with the following just this week among other things. - solved a complex issue with scaling and transformations using pixijs upon providing a code example. The solution was 99% there and saved me hours of debugging. - refactored JavaScript to the async/await pattern - si…

Same here. Worked on a lazy list in js for mobile. The component had a nasty array lookup every scroll event. I asked chatgpt if it could optimize the lookup algorithm. I suggested me to implement a binary search solution including the code itself. It worked immediately. I would have taken me probably a day to come up with something similar. I also asked chatgpt to minimize my code including all method names , variab…

type "continue" after the initial output and chatgpt should continue printing out the answer

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Post by janalsncm »

drakmo wrote: post #194

Google is just a lightning fast but messed up index combined with really good graphs. ChatGPT now is only one tool Soon it will be just one piece in a box filled with a combination of tools that let you just know whatever you want to in a depth of detail you specify it to be laid out: - large conversational language model that generates the piece of information - fact checking model that applies post checks on logic…

I would like to know more about the fast fact checking model. This will require some kind of symbolic NLP approach that doesn’t exist yet.

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Post by _0w8t »

charlieyu1 wrote: post #209
mrtksn wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. I wish Google was able to fix spam instead of trying to be something else than a search engine. The cynic in me thinks that Google is doing it because it’s more profitable. If the results are crap, maybe ads are a better content? it’s not like you are going to use Bing?

I don't even understand why Google doesn't allow blocking some sites in search results. Paid ads, I understand, these generate profits. Although Facebook still allow me to remove some ads that I don't want to see. But unpaid SEO rubbish, how does it benefit Google at all? If anything these parasites bogs down the quality of search results

It is hard to filter out SEO rubbish with a low rate of false positives. Spammers became really good at pretending to be real sites.

For mail spam various trust-based solutions like server black lists, domain verification etc. were important to solve the problem. But Google has little incentives to push for a trust-based search due to their business model.

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Post by ygggvbbjiuygvf »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #56
jakeinspace wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second half of that explanation is completely wrong though, isn’t it? There is no active signal being sent from your GPS antenna, no two-way communication.

The first half is wrong too. GPS has nothing to do with satellites being able to see lots of things from high up. The whole thing is just nonsense that looks plausibly like an explanation until you try to decipher it.

So just like a typical explanation of things for five year olds?
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