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SouthwestAirlines' Meltdown Shows How Corporations Pit Consumers Against Workers

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> Southwest Airlines ticketing agents, cashiers at Nando’s Chicken, low-wage call center workers for Verizon overseas, become corporate sin eaters This is why it is a good idea to be nice to the people you deal with on the front lines, and write a very politely worded letter to the head of the department at the company you are dealing with, and potentially letters to their boss, and their boss, etc. Mail it, if possi…

Do you think the executives care about your letter? Stop going to the place that treats you badly, and if possible write an honest critical review of them. This is not perfect, but it has more hope of getting attention than a letter to an executive who almost certainly won't even see it. For better or worse, people vote with their wallets. There are lots of low cost versions of things I would never even consider (and…

> Do you think the executives care about your letter?

Some do.

A few years ago I flew with $EAST_ASIAN_AIRLINE and had some complications with my checked baggage. The gate agent was courteous and patient in understanding and resolving my issues. After everything's sorted out, she gave me the typical "if you're satisfied with my service, please write or call ..." As the interaction was positive, and I've got nothing else to do on the flight, I wrote a brief e-mail expressing my satisfaction with the earlier service.

Maybe a week later, I received a reply stating that they were pleased that I had good service, and said gate agent would be commended. Of course I have no way of telling for sure, I don't believe that it's a canned automated response, given that it was sent days later, the reply's formatting's simple, and that the reply's grammatically correct but stilted.

In contrast, I flew with $US_AIRLINE last year, in first class. I went to the airport early and requested if I could be re-booked for an earlier flight. The agent "helpfully" re-booked me, but in economy. It was clear that the agent had overlooked that I was flying first class. It couldn't be re-booked and I got a look of "well it's not my fault and you shoulda told me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Fine, I thought, but at least I still get express security lane and lounge access, right? I was assured that they'll call ahead so there shouldn't be any problem. That turned out to be a lie. The security agent didn't know what I was talking about when I got there. Same deal when I try to enter the lounge, but I guess the lounge agent took pity on me and "did me a favor" -- not "I apologize for the errors so far, and this is the least I could do" -- and let me into the lounge at least.

I should emphasize that at no point did I raise my voice nor disrespect the agents I'd spoken to, though by the time I was at the lounge I probably did sound slightly upset.

There was no WiFi on that flight, but you bet I wrote a lengthy complaint when I got home. I didn't even get an automated response back.

> Stop going to the place that treats you badly [...]

I agree that's likely the most effective approach. I no longer fly with $US_AIRLINE unless I absolutely have to.

I've not had a bad interaction with SWA thus far, and was in fact planning on flying with them sometime in February. Perhaps I should reconsider, but the alternative would be $$$ more expensive (and I may have to fly $US_AIRLINE), so I might still risk it. That's the rub, isn't it: when it comes down to it airline passengers, including myself, are quite price sensitive, so it's totally rational for airlines to optimize that over everything else.

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Amazon does the same thing by using third party delivery companies and geographic dislocation with their support staff.

The proletariat can be taught to take their class problems out on the customers. I assume that the third party delivery companies' leadership even encourage their drivers to take out their class frustrations on customers that complain about problems.

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I got stuck in this, and saw a new low while waiting in DCA with respect to QR code based menus. All the service bars in the first terminal have ipad style devices in front of the seats displaying a QR code. The expectation is that you scan the QR code off the ipad, and order using your phone/etc! Then pay with the ipad, which actually pissed me off more than sitting in the terminal for 8 hours while my flight was de…

Newark is full of those horrific ipad stations. If they were only used for orders, that would be one thing (still a bad experience), but the fact that every seat at every bar and table has these things flashing bright and distracting ads throughout your meal is just dystopian.

The cherry on top was when I walked to one of the self-checkout stores, grabbed a bag of chips, scanned it myself, and was then prompted for a tip....at a self-service kiosk.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I was responding to the logic (which I think is erroneous) of: > If a business is pushing for tips (those dumbass Toast POS consoles that now often start tipping at 20%), the workers are underpaid. If the argument is “if workers are paying for their mortgage with tips, then they are underpaid”, then I would respond that analyzing each individual’s cost structure to determine how much you should pay them is, at th…

I think the much more obvious point was that you generally only tip (and therefore would see a tip popup on the POS) at places where the tips really are an important part of their take home. I don't think that line of thinking is erroneous. Where I'm located in one of the provinces, until only recently places could pay subminimum wage to service staff under the assumption that it was covered by tips.

I dont know about Canada, but here in the US people often misrepresent these provisions. i.e "places could pay subminimum wage to service staff under the assumption that it was covered by tips" in the US a place can pay submimimum wages provided the over all gross pay IS MORE than the minimum. Not the "assuming it will be" it has to actually be counted, and be paid more than. If not the business has to make up the difference

This is done (in part) to incentive the business to ensure their workers are reporting their tipped income, it is not uncommon for people to try to evade taxation by not reporting tipped income

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There is a tension in the article between "the capitalists are pitting the consumers against the front line workers" premise and the "the capitalists are eliminating the front line workers" point made in the article. Southwest's meltdown was about computer systems that coordinate "offline" based on assumptions instead of online based on passing information back and forth on a regular basis. Southwest was a very relia…

Inc. makes it sound like point to point (rather than hub and spoke) is the problem, but that seems like a distraction. Airlines operated PtP for decades; hub and spoke is a relatively new approach that has its own issues. What got Southwest could get any airline: being stretched too thin, running schedules too tight, having everything just in time, all to cram as many fares into the sky as possible. American also had…

> Airlines operated PtP for decades

This is only really true prior to deregulation in 1978.

After that, Delta began hub-and-spoke out of Atlanta, and the majority of airlines followed them.

These days, as far as I can tell, Southwest is the only major carrier that doesn't follow this approach. It has its downsides. You don't have pilots sitting "on reserve" at bases ready to fly at a moments notice if there are gaps in the system. There isn't a need to shut down and esentially "reboot" the airline when there is a major disruption, which is what Southwest just had to do. Delta had the second highest cancellation rate due to this winter storm, and that was at 10%. Southwest had to cancel 70% of their schedule.

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>The waiter hasn’t been replaced by an iPad, they’ve been replaced by you. I've noticed as well that in grocery-store lines. Where customers are being conditioned to patiently wait in long lines to be next at the checkout machines. To wave their purchases over lasers, then pack them into each and every bag they'll pay for. Be careful what you put in the bagging area! the machines' metallic voices shriek at the custom…

I recall reading that when they introduced self-service checkouts theft went up significantly; people were much less reluctant to still if they were only being served by a machine. However the solution was not to simply go back to use manned registers again, but instead make the systems for theft detection more sophisticated. I wouldn't even be surprised if the final systems that we have now are not even cheaper than…

As long as theft is less than minimum wage it’s financially viable.

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The article complains about automation replacing workers. This complaint goes back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, but automation has enabled us to sit in warm houses and watch Netflix all day rather than spending every day picking bugs off of our crops. The other thing it complains about is cutting costs. Well, Southwest has the cheapest air fares. You don't get top flight customer service when you bu…

>>McDonald's has replaced their cashiers with a kiosk

I cant wait until they open one of their fully automated places near me. I will be the first one through that line

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I got stuck in this, and saw a new low while waiting in DCA with respect to QR code based menus. All the service bars in the first terminal have ipad style devices in front of the seats displaying a QR code. The expectation is that you scan the QR code off the ipad, and order using your phone/etc! Then pay with the ipad, which actually pissed me off more than sitting in the terminal for 8 hours while my flight was de…

>>SW still doesn't have an automated system that "heals" the route network

They do, it is commercial program from the 90's they have customized, when more than 300 cancellations hit that system it fell over and could not recover. It also requires human operators to read the crew changes over the telephone so every crew member has to call into a call center to get new assignments. No online portal or mobile app.

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> Deliberate understaffing I previously lived in Japan and this was such a big difference compared to the US. In US stores it can take minutes to find someone if you have a question and when you do find someone they'll usually be dealing with something else. In Japan stores had so much staff that a store employee was always within a stone's throw away. The same thing at restaurants.

The US has a cultural allergy to personal servants, and for good reason.

If I had a personal servant I wouldn’t be in the store in the first place.

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Another similar notion is with credit card payments for convenience items at bakeries, deli, and pizza restaurants. A company called "4shifts" is notorious for telling owners to place a sign on the register "a convenience charge of 3.5% will be added to the sale if you use a credit card". Add the 3.5% plus sales tax which increases the sale by 8% - 12% depending on the state you live in. 4shifts is also used in major…

Why should they bear the cost of credit card payment processing? Cash buyers shouldn't have to subsidize credit card users.

Premium card users are also subsidized by basic card users.
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