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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by survirtual »

mindslight wrote: post #201
survirtual wrote: post #181

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I have run the numbers and with proper insulation and lower sq footage it is completely practical. That recommendation is for people with the money to do it, which is most of us here. I was replying to someone talking about most “rural” people and extended the reply to be relevant to people here. Given I sleep most nights in a hammock in woods backpacking and travel around nonstop, and have no trouble in sub-zero wil…

> Given I sleep most nights in a hammock in woods backpacking and travel around nonstop, and have no trouble in sub-zero wilderness, I have definitely opted out of housing Okay, I do agree this qualifies as opting out of the housing market. > Believe it or not, people with ethics and willpower to follow through still exist Sure. I'm there myself on a few topics, and have lived them for quite some time. But you need t…

I’d have to find my notes on the topic, but if memory serves for the results, I was targeting 200kWh of battery with a ~1000sqft space. I can’t recall my calculations on the number of panels because I was later working on another design for mobile use with my car, but I do remember it being around $20k-$30k in panels alone to do what I wanted. Panel efficiency and price has gone down since then, so I would expect that price to be lower now. I wanted enough generation to simultaneously charge two EVs as well as be capable of heating a space. I was planning on doing all the labor myself so that is not in the numbers for cost.

All things told I was prepared to spend around $75k on electrical to make this happen in a remote location, which seemed reasonable to me given the capabilities & stability I would get in return. It is not something most people could afford, but most people here on HN probably could which is why I mentioned it.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by vorpalhex »

bobthepanda wrote: post #205
Bilal_io wrote: post #137

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For the same reason they cannot stockpile. Moving is very expensive. Then how can they afford rent in a more expensive area? How will they find jobs?

We even have the first Gen Z Congressperson being rejected from housing due to low credit score, despite the fact that his salary as a future Congressperson is a known six-figure value. Once society has deemed you too poor to be useful, it is hard to escape that designation even if you make it out.

Your salary has very little to do with your credit score.

Length of history + history of repayment.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by kwhitefoot »

x0x0 wrote: post #210
xyzelement wrote: post #96

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I am sure I don't understand the nuances of this situation but it seems a major failure of foresight and your emergency supplies should be stored so that they are accessible where they are needed if shit hits the fan.

Not sure how they can deliver firewood when the roads are impassible. And in very heavy snowfall -- esp dry powder that you get when the air is, and stays, very cold -- you'll continue to get significant amounts of snow on the roads long after it stops snowing as the wind blows it onto the road. Additionally, a well-maintained suv with 4wd and snow tires isn't a cheap thing to own and maintain. And if you get your ca…

In the winter the firewood should be stored right next to the house, some of it inside the house. In fact the wood that you intend to burn now should be inside the house otherwise when you put it on the fire it will depress the fire. I have one day of firewood stacked next to the woodburner and several weeks in the vindfang (an unheated porch with doors both sides). The rest is stacked at the back of the house and it would be accessible even if a drift buried the house assuming that we are just averagely fit.

We aren't preppers but it makes no sense to rely on just in time deliveries in midwinter so we buy or otherwise obtain the wood for most of the winter in October or November

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Post by kevinmchugh »

lisper wrote: post #217
Ntrails wrote: post #204

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I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

It is very hard to tease genetic factors out from socio-economic ones, but IMHO it seems plausible that a population that has been exposed to alcohol for a long time (hundreds of generations) may have been better selected for higher tolerance than a population that has been exposed only recently (a few dozen generations, and with modern technology making selection pressure lower in general).

The evo-bio story of alcohol is confusing though, since fermentation has been present in East Asia as long as anywhere, and there's a large part of the population there that has the alcohol flush reaction.

You could tell the story as like, alcohol puts pressure on a population to evolve better responses, and with enough time the flush evolves and that helps limit drinking. But that's pretty just-so.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Ntrails wrote: post #204
boomboomsubban wrote: post #160

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_Native_Americans#G... Alcoholism rates among Native Americans is higher than most groups, which leads some to suspect a genetic reason. Currently, there isn't a ton of evidence supporting that idea.

I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

>To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

Kind of a tricky question that is somewhat covered in my link. Alcohol was definitely brewed in the Americas pre-Columbus, but by the seventeenth century alcohol was largely unknown to the Natives interacting with the colonists.

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Post by survirtual »

rascul wrote: post #215
survirtual wrote: post #187

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People in the US can afford a 5 gallon container of beans and rice. My suggestion isn’t financially impractical for anyone, this is nonsense. It is just a matter of priorities and knowledge, and who is here on Hacker News reading what I wrote? Is it a population that can afford these suggestions or isn’t it?

> People in the US can afford a 5 gallon container of beans and rice. My suggestion isn’t financially impractical for anyone, this is nonsense. There are plenty of people in the US who can barely scrape together enough to feed themselves for a day. Telling these people to just spend more money isn't helpful.

I am very aware of the poverty here. I have met people on the roads and in the woods with some incredible stories & lifestyles.

If you are fortunate enough to have a fixed location and are able to survive in general society, I can assure you, you can find some way to scrape together a rolling supply of beans and rice.

If nothing else, these are served in abundance at food banks. I should know because I have friends in some parts of the country who are homeless & regularly used food banks. They had no place to store long term stuff (although I have found buried caches before, I don’t know people who regularly do that) so my advice wouldn’t apply to them, but if someone went to a food bank and had a fixed location for storage, I am sure they would have no trouble being able to secure a large supply of rice and beans.

A large issue with poverty is it generates a mindset where these kinds of preparations are much lower priority than daily survival, so that would be a more reasonable reason to point at I think.

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Post by throwawaysleep »

x0x0 wrote: post #210
xyzelement wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure I don't understand the nuances of this situation but it seems a major failure of foresight and your emergency supplies should be stored so that they are accessible where they are needed if shit hits the fan.

Not sure how they can deliver firewood when the roads are impassible. And in very heavy snowfall -- esp dry powder that you get when the air is, and stays, very cold -- you'll continue to get significant amounts of snow on the roads long after it stops snowing as the wind blows it onto the road. Additionally, a well-maintained suv with 4wd and snow tires isn't a cheap thing to own and maintain. And if you get your ca…

You store firewood for heating at your house for emergencies. The solution is a pile, not an SUV.

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Post by rolph »

abledon wrote: post #206
soVeryTired wrote: post #200

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I guess the egg cell you came from was made inside your grandma when your mom was an embryo in her. So the the cell was technically made inside your grandma’s body.

isn't the mother just providing the nourishment for the fetus to grow inside her? and the fetus itself, takes the nourishment, and actually producing the eggs inside itself? So technically I don't think we can say the grandma is making the eggs directly, but has assisted in the fetus' creation, and then provided the nutrients/environment for the egg creation that the fetus itself makes (which yes, can influence thing…

mom and dad also supply a half helix [single strand] of DNA, with conservation of state.

this passes on the structural features responsible for regulatory configuration

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Post by doodlebugging »

ck2 wrote: post #75

I could make a horrible joke that at least lithium batteries in an EV would burn for days if not weeks for warmth. But if I had to suffer by boiling in a desert vs sub-freezing cold stealing all heat, I would take the boiling, freezing feels like death way before it happens. I imagine too much modern comfort somehow dulls survival prep and caution in the winter in those areas. Too many "easy" winters and caution fade…

>But if I had to suffer by boiling in a desert vs sub-freezing cold stealing all heat, I would take the boiling, freezing feels like death way before it happens.

This reminded me of an old poem by Robert Frost memorized back in grade school - Fire and Ice.

[0]https://poets.org/poem/fire-and-ice

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