Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

nbcnewyork.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 683 posts

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#221

Post by josephcsible »

vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

IMO, your right to deny people entry to your private property should end once you take their money for tickets to enter. After all, it's not like she bought her ticket under a fake name.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#222

Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

gregors wrote: post #174

The reason why we have "protected status" is that people were banning people based on their racist/hate views. Those people used their 5 senses to easily target the people they hated for discrimination. Other variables (such as who you work for) well that's not easily found out...until now. AI is now allowing for new innovating hate and discrimination to drive decisions. What an absolute cluster. I don't envy the cou…

No post body was provided.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#223

Post by creaghpatr »

_boffin_ wrote: post #209

Question: if she purchased the ticket under her own name and she held a valid ticket upon entry to the venue, would it be fraud if one doesn’t get access to the event? Even more so if she doesn’t get a full refund? One would presume that there would be measures in place during checkout that would inhibit transactions that go against their policies to not go through.

Guessing their on-site security stack must not be integrated with their transaction platform. Or someone else could have paid for the tickets.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#224

Post by bee_rider »

lscdlscd wrote: post #178
whoopdedo wrote: post #158

What does the Bar have to say about being a customer of a business you're suing. Wouldn't this be more of a concern for the law firm than the venue? But I can see how this has a chilling effect if you can lose access to goods and services because you're taking legal action against the company. Reminds me of the story I heard, though I forget the details (or even if it was true), about someone retaining numerous law f…

You might be thinking of the Sopranos: SPOILER When Tony and Carmine are getting divorced, Tony consults with every lawyer in town, creating a conflict of interest and not allowing Carmine to use them.

Although — I’ve only seen this on, like, other online chitchats so take it with a heap of salt, but — I’m under the impression that the main thing accomplished if someone tried these sorts of antics in real life would be a reasonably pissed off judge with reason to believe that one party wasn’t engaging with the legal system in good faith.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#225

Post by pessimizer »

moloch-hai wrote: post #88
monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

This sort of thing, everywhere, is exactly what to expect from "deregulation".

A venue can dictate how you dress and behave, but can't dictate that you not carry in a cellphone?

Not clearly telling someone with anxiety that their (very common) safety blanket isn't allowed in the venue before they buy the ticket it a problem, but it's a problem with how we treat Terms-of-Service and EULAs that are too long and legalistic as binding. It's good that people can't have their cellphones at comedy shows.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#226

Post by filoleg »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #118
monocasa wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The yondr bags are sealed faraday cages to keep you from recording the show or being on your phone.

Reading about those... They basically lock away your phone and they don't give you the key. Not quite as bad as chaining people in their apartment buildings to keep COVID-19 quarantines, but it certainly would be reason enough for me to avoid a venue.

They don't quite lock it away. They give you a special pouch that locks, you put your phone in that pouch, lock it, and then they unlock it for you at the end of the show. Your phone doesn't leave you at any point.

Not trying to argue for or against that policy. But comparing it even remotely to the COVID situation you are describing (that is currently happening in a certain country) is about as self-aggrandizing and out of touch as it can get.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#227

Post by filoleg »

andybak wrote: post #103
raldi wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the phone requirement that you refused? Did they want to confiscate your phone, lock it in a bag you physically couldn’t open, seal it in an envelope you got to keep but could open in an emergency, just demand you keep it in your pocket…?

Yeah. I've never heard of this and "phoneless/phone encasing" isn't returning much. GP - what?

Never seen it happen at concerts, but it happens more often than not at standup comedy shows.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#228

Post by TomK32 »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #214

This reminds me of an incident that showed up in one of my college courses: A forklift driver who got fired for drinking Budweiser. He worked for a company that Miller Brewing company contacted with and a newspaper took a photo of him at a public event drinking Budweiser. Different situation, same kind of pettiness and retaliation.

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/he-had-a-bud-light-now-h...

Fired for driking Bud Light. Is that even beer I ask as a German...

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#229

Post by baandang »

hnlmorg wrote: post #128
stickfigure wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares what technology they use? They could also check ids at the door and cross-reference their naughty list. Everything seems to involve an id check these days. Maybe there's some contractual issue here - they sold you a ticket, that establishes a contract, they're breaking the contract by denying you entry. They should have performed the naughty check earlier in the process? I think it's all pretty stupid but o…

Agreed. For me, the issue is that this restriction is upheld at point of entry and not point of sale. I get it’s a harder problem to restrict who tickets are sold to, but if a venue like that wants to get petty about who can attend their shows then the responsibility is on them to communicate that before the event. To flip this another way, in any other normal circumstance, when you get banned from a venue you’d get…

Yea how stupid.

Everyone in this thread has already recognized how many faces so far today with their eyes and nothing blew up?

Look at the personal computer? It is just a better place to hold your recipes. We basically live in 1980 + having a more efficient way to hold your cookie recipes instead of in cumbersome recipe books.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#230

Post by alwa »

hnlmorg wrote: post #128
stickfigure wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares what technology they use? They could also check ids at the door and cross-reference their naughty list. Everything seems to involve an id check these days. Maybe there's some contractual issue here - they sold you a ticket, that establishes a contract, they're breaking the contract by denying you entry. They should have performed the naughty check earlier in the process? I think it's all pretty stupid but o…

Agreed. For me, the issue is that this restriction is upheld at point of entry and not point of sale. I get it’s a harder problem to restrict who tickets are sold to, but if a venue like that wants to get petty about who can attend their shows then the responsibility is on them to communicate that before the event. To flip this another way, in any other normal circumstance, when you get banned from a venue you’d get…

To be fair, in the article, the venue management claims to have told the law firms involved about the ban well ahead of time:

“All impacted attorneys were notified of the policy, including Davis, Saperstein and Salomon, which was notified twice," a spokesperson for MSG Entertainment said in a statement.

Whether or not that notice was in fact adequate, it seems like they’re at least sensitive to giving the impression that they communicated the ban very clearly ahead of time.

Post reply on HN