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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by warent »

SilverBirch wrote: post #190
warent wrote: post #187

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it seems many people read way too far into this with a distorted "back in my day!" mentality. I watch twitch nearly every day and subscribe to (pay) a couple of streamers. You know what I don't watch? TV. Cable, satellite, or otherwise. This is simply modern entertainment. Streamers are professional entertainers. As for the people who seem to have a parasocial relationship--none of this is new. In my childhood I had…

The amount of MacGuyver content you got over the original 7 year run is about the same amount of content that a popular Twitch Streamer will put out in about 7 weeks. And MacGyver won't read your comment in chat and respond to you. It's a vastly different situation. Not least because in 1985 when the original Macguyver came out the entire television viewing population of the US were watching a handful of networks. No…

There seem two be two different things here.

1. "100,000x as many content creators to support"

Hollywood has always been flooded with countless failed would-be actors / entertainers. Just because you can't see them like you can in Twitch, because they couldn't publish stuff in the 1980s, it doesn't mean they didn't exist. This is an old problem.

2. "The amount of MacGuyver content you got over the original 7 year run is about the same amount of content that a popular Twitch Streamer will put out in about 7 weeks."

We're not talking about the actor, by himself, winging it and producing an episode on the fly. With Twitch, that is typically the case. On Twitch, content being produced is of lower effort and higher volume. It's a huge difference but the math balances out.

As an aside, "fan mail" did exist back then too. Viewers would write in to a P.O. Box and if they were lucky their letters were read on air.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by s1artibartfast »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #176
ehnto wrote: post #99

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The stats are a bit skewed I think, because you have to have an account on twitch to participate as a consumer on twitch, so all those 0 view streamers are very possibly people who are actually consumers and had no intention of streaming themselves.

There are 150+ million accounts on twitch, but only 10+ million people who streamed in the last months, and around 5 millions who seem to stream regular. Doesn't make the impression of being skewed by people who did not aim to stream. Sure, some might hit the button by accident. But more likely, it's just people who have a different aim than making viewers.

I think you're making the mistake that the point of a Twitch account is to stream. Accounts are useful for viewers with no intent to ever stream as well

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by thefz »

kaashif wrote: post #148
thefz wrote: post #123

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> Their kind of work does come with its own challenges, even if they don’t include the same challenges you’re used to thinking about. You can't be serious. Streaming yourself in a hot tub playing with an inflatable ball is a job? Then it's softcore porn, at best. These people are paid to be literally playing video games .

Playing a competitive game like League of Legends at a high level for 12 hours a day while engaging/entertaining viewers is more stressful and mentally taxing than most software engineering jobs. And the median streamer isn't paid much. You probably don't have the skills to do this - as the article shows, even the vast majority of streamers can't make it work, let alone non streamers. This isn't an argument that appl…

> Playing a competitive game like League of Legends at a high level for 12 hours a day while engaging/entertaining viewers is more stressful and mentally taxing than most software engineering jobs. And the median streamer isn't paid much.

Then get into SW engineering.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by _carbyau_ »

amrocha wrote: post #168
_carbyau_ wrote: post #44

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Yes and no. The problem is financial position seems to have trajectory. And with financial inequality widening all the time you don't want to be on the wrong side of the "middle" line if you can help it. For example: Less impressive house vs more impressive house with year on year compounding of % increase in value over 20 years. When the houses are both worth double what they were, the more impressive house has gain…

This kind of thinking is a big part of what's wrong with the world. Why do your kids deserve to have a house that they didn't work for? Inheritance tax should be 100% above like 1M

Sadly you got downvoted but your comment seems to make two contradictory statements.

Your second sentence seems to imply 100% inheritance tax. IE kids get nothing.

But then your last sentence implies "well, the kids can have something, but it should be limited."

And on that point, I agree with you. I honestly think that wealth inheritance above a certain threshold should be 100% taxed - just gone. What that point is, I'm not sure. Maybe 10 million. Maybe 100 million. But should billionaires be friggin' born!?! I think not.

However, there are a few practical issues with this:

- get the rich and powerful, who at least influence law if they are not outright making it, to agree with this?!? Ha!

- even if you manage to do it in your country. Then the rich will simply hold their assets in another country that doesn't do this. So the scope has to be world wide. Good luck with that!

- what do you do if well before death, parents simply happen to slip, trip and make the poor business decision of selling a billion dollar asset for pennies... and the buyer simply happens to be their kid? Prevent intrafamily purchases? Then you simply have cliques who sell to each others kids.

Look, for one reason or another society has decided that there is to be no limit at the top. We've just got to live with that. But we don't have to be happy about it.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by mbesto »

hyperhopper wrote: post #84
mbesto wrote: post #29

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He's an exception to the rule. Same with Shroud, Dr. Disrespect, etc. In fact there's a whole bunch of OG streamers who can play literally any game they want and they still have strong following (LIRIK, Soda, etc.) simply because they grinded out early on. Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time), they can't take breaks or switch games without a huge dip in followers, and…

1-2k viewers by most metrics of subs/donations/sponsorships gives you a very very very comfortable life. Maybe even approaching millions a year. That's the 0.01% of twitch you're talking about. Anybody with over 500 consistent viewers is the exception.

I personally know someone who consistently has 1-2k viewers. I would say $80k~$100k is more the norm for that size. $1M/year a stretch (including YT, IG, paid influencing, etc.)

> gives you a very very very comfortable life.

Monetarily, sure...but the point is that you if you suddenly take a month off, you risk that comfort.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by amrocha »

rdtwo wrote: post #217
amrocha wrote: post #168

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This kind of thinking is a big part of what's wrong with the world. Why do your kids deserve to have a house that they didn't work for? Inheritance tax should be 100% above like 1M

Because they won’t be able to earn it on their own. The class mobility window in the USA is really closing fast

Well, let's fix that instead then!

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by amrocha »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #224
amrocha wrote: post #168

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This kind of thinking is a big part of what's wrong with the world. Why do your kids deserve to have a house that they didn't work for? Inheritance tax should be 100% above like 1M

Sadly you got downvoted but your comment seems to make two contradictory statements. Your second sentence seems to imply 100% inheritance tax. IE kids get nothing. But then your last sentence implies "well, the kids can have something, but it should be limited." And on that point, I agree with you. I honestly think that wealth inheritance above a certain threshold should be 100% taxed - just gone. What that point is,…

I'm not contradicting myself. I think inheritance should be for emotional reasons, but at the end of the day things have a dollar value associated with them. A car, or jewelry, can be an asset but also have emotional value. Setting a limit lets people keep the important things without hoarding wealth.

And the rest of your comment I mostly agree with, it's not an easy change, and there's lots of challenges to be solved, but that doesn't mean they can't be solved. We don't just have to live with it, we have to solve the problems 1 by 1.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by johlits »

ilyt wrote: post #134
emodendroket wrote: post #110

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Another possibility is just using it to capture your own play, for instance if you want to review matches later to try and analyze flaws in your game.

That's massive stretch. Why would anyone do that? Twitch player isn't that great if you want to seek around the video

One use case is speedrunning. If you don't have space on your PC and want to record your runs.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by majewsky »

emodendroket wrote: post #198
majewsky wrote: post #167

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My OBS recordings (of mostly game footage) come out to between 1 and 1.5 GiB/hour for 1080p resolution. Given that simple external HDDs start at about 20€ for 500 GiB, that comes out to 6 cents of storage per hour recorded. Your power bill for the gaming PC is going to be higher than that in some places.

OK, so we’ve established that it is possible to do it another way if you want. But why get an external hard drive if you’re happy with Twitch VODs?

Twitch VODs are only retained for 14 days (or 60 days if you're subscribed to Twitch Turbo).

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by emodendroket »

majewsky wrote: post #229
emodendroket wrote: post #198

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OK, so we’ve established that it is possible to do it another way if you want. But why get an external hard drive if you’re happy with Twitch VODs?

Twitch VODs are only retained for 14 days (or 60 days if you're subscribed to Twitch Turbo).

Yeah but are you going to want to review years-old footage or stuff from the last few weeks?
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