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Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Re: Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Post by matchbok »

refurb wrote: post #220
karamanolev wrote: post #122

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I see why you like the suburbs. But it's essentially a hoax, it's like living above your means on a bunch of credit cards - at least for most people (not all). Affordability for a lot of suburbs is when you allow for degrading infrastructure and moving more and more towards bankruptcy of cities. Budget analysis for a lot of suburbs show very troubling trends. In essence, living in a properly maintained suburbia is no…

This is a bizarre take. The suburbs of the Bay Area are often wealthier and better run than the cities. In fact, it's true of most major cities. The urban core is likely lower income and the surrounding suburbs are where the wealthy live. Kind of weird to talk about "living on a bunch of credit cards" when it's the cities who seem to burn cash with little to show for it.

That's how it was in the 90s... please look at real estate date today :)

Cities generate the tax base and subsidize the rest. This is shown in every case. It's not good or bad, just a reality of how density works.

Re: Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Post by refurb »

matchbok wrote: post #221
refurb wrote: post #220

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This is a bizarre take. The suburbs of the Bay Area are often wealthier and better run than the cities. In fact, it's true of most major cities. The urban core is likely lower income and the surrounding suburbs are where the wealthy live. Kind of weird to talk about "living on a bunch of credit cards" when it's the cities who seem to burn cash with little to show for it.

That's how it was in the 90s... please look at real estate date today :) Cities generate the tax base and subsidize the rest. This is shown in every case. It's not good or bad, just a reality of how density works.

But look at the trend post-Covid. It's basically reversing itself. San Francisco is going be completely screwed by the exodus of workers who live in the city and commuters.

It's one big cycle, people moved to cities during WW2, then out to the suburbs during the 60's. Then back into cities in the 90's, now back out in the 2020's.

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Post by PebblesRox »

ethanbond wrote: post #158
88913527 wrote: post #155

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You can't do 5+1 on the current total land area occupied by low-density because you'd end up with far more housing than 330 million or so people need. You add that level of density to the core of small towns, then you have enough for everyone. That leaves a long tail of abandoned infrastructure in the areas that you're describing (rural/exurbs not picked for 5+1 upzoning). The suburbs take a huge amount of land. If e…

Oh... it sounds like you're saying the proposal is to actually convert all existing developed land to 5+1. I don't think that's anyone's proposal? Upzoning does not mean you automatically get a building at maximum allowed density, it means you increase what is allowed and let the market decide what makes sense where. It would play out exactly as you describe.

I think the point is that not all the suburban sprawl will get converted to 5+1 so some of it's going to decay/devolve.

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Post by AntiRemoteWork »

tricksforfree wrote: post #5
mikrl wrote: post #3

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In my experience, moving is related to aspiration. If I stayed where I grew up I’d honestly likely be an opioid statistic and definitely not doing anything worthwhile with my life. I still keep in touch with a few people from youth who didn’t ruin their lives, and I’m the standout success story despite being the socially awkward and poor one. Moving thousands of miles has changed my life in ways I’d never dream of, s…

Imagine if you and similar, "driven" folk stayed and made where you're from better. Imagine if you started small businesses and hired/trained the locals. Maybe everyone left behind wouldn't have to work at a big box store or just die to reduce the societal burden. Edit: Not blaming, just food for thought.

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Post by aidenn0 »

A friend of mine lives in a town in the Midwest and often wonders why there are so many hardworking people in California struggling to make ends meet when the foundry in his town is looking for anyone who can show up to work on-time and sober, is paying overtime (b/c there aren't enough workers), and is willing to train people. All in a town where you can buy a house for under $200k.

People don't move. We like to talk about FOMO, but fear of making major changes is much bigger.

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Post by egberts1 »

So glad that my military upbringing has been instilled in all my kids.

All of us has been to at least 7 different states/countries, me almost 12! Even "towed" our elders with us, and they love it too.

Cannot imagine being in a one-town ... forever.

Always seeking different cultures.

We must be explorers!

Re: Nearly six in 10 US young adults live within 10 miles of where they grew up

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Post by egberts1 »

parker_mountain wrote: post #76
fullshark wrote: post #37

A lot of upperwardly mobile, ambitious people don't realize this, or they generally understand it only in terms of chastising their high school peers who stayed home. If you build a society based on the assumption everyone will simply move and re-skill to the regions with economic opportunity, you get a lot of regions of bitter people who stayed behind somewhere and watched their local economy get destroyed by trade…

Part of it, as well, is that a lot of these regions that people moved out of are the suburbs. Many suburbs are not sustainable, and are degrading.

Secret is to foster flip economy in updating houses.

Can't be crushing that too after what we did to our beleaguered housing industry.

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Post by egberts1 »

kbf wrote: post #133
Yhippa wrote: post #87

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> Many suburbs are not sustainable, and are degrading. Genuinely curious: what is the basis for that claim? Even if you don't cite a source. Edit: these responses are very insightful. Thank you all for the responses.

Density. North American suburbs built around cars spread taxpayers thin over a large area that requires a lot of expensive infrastructure. These places can’t actually afford the services they depend on and infrastructure debt is usually paid off by new developments kind of like a ponzi scheme.

We got our gas line and sewer in the streets replaced. And replaced too.

Just need a willing city mayor to be re-investing into infrastructure.

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Post by egberts1 »

tomrod wrote: post #98
Yhippa wrote: post #87

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> Many suburbs are not sustainable, and are degrading. Genuinely curious: what is the basis for that claim? Even if you don't cite a source. Edit: these responses are very insightful. Thank you all for the responses.

Not the OP. It's a literal claim, not metaphorical. Pipes break. Schools wear out. Roads wear out. Houses and fencing wear out, etc. Many cities don't budget in perpetuity and (further) can't maintain existing infrastructure as a population bulge dissipates or as young people move away.

You can move into cities whose mayor is constantly reinvesting.

Or you can move out if the mayor does not bother to reinvest into its community.

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