After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

Post by discardedrefuse » Wed, Nov 30, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

benhurmarcel wrote: post #219

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> Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app No. It doesn't. This sentiment is pretty much confined to HN and seems to stem from the whole Moxie non-sense from years ago. Telegram is a so much more than a messenger. It competes with WeChat, not Signal. It has an incredible API, bots, payments, apps/games, and is host to Onlyfans / Discord-like social groups. It's time to stop parroting this idea that Telegram is…

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Post by ls15 » Wed, Nov 30, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

discardedrefuse wrote: post #220

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On telegram.org under "Why Telegram" it says: * Simple * _Private_ * Synced * Fast * Powerful * Open * Secure * Social * Expressive According to Telegram's own priorization, privacy is its second most defining feature after simplicity. It is not by accident that people think that Telegram is focussed on privacy.

> According to Telegram's own priorization, If you're going to be that puerile then... I had to scroll past their list of available clients and their recent news section to get to this "Why Telegram" section that first mentions the word "private". So clearly, that far down the page, its not a priority. Back in reality: The word "private" can mean anything. Every app and website that uses https claims to have privacy…

Post by 2Gkashmiri » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

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>Whose number? How are the government going to "ask for your number" ? Signal doesn't hold any data that would let them answer that query if they wanted to. does signal keep your mobile number? just that? not asking about metadata or actual message data, just number associated to an account?

Yes. The government can indeed ask, "Hey, what phone number is 1-555-123-4567 ?" and Signal can tell them it is "1-555-123-4567". Or, instead of spending $$$ on lawyers to make Signal tell you the answer to obvious questions, which US government agencies have done several times - I reckon I'd do it for $10 per time, minimum order 1000 stupid questions. I can do other stupid questions, wondering which Telegram user is…

Post by em-bee » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 10:58 AM UTC

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yes. yes yes. yes. yes 100%. the same reason i avoid whatsapp and signal like the plague. "mobile number" is in itself a big identifier when you are living in a place where you have o do mandatory KYC so that the government knows which each mobile number is linked to the actual human being. i dont care signal doesnt hold any messages. the government can ask for my number and they can use the xkcd spanner method to do…

So I’m this threat model the government knows your phone number, suspects you’ve been communicating with others, and beats a confession out of you… Why is the phone number being used in a chat app significant? They can still beat you with a wrench to divulge your information even if it’s on Matrix or even pen and paper.

Post by kang » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 8:29 PM UTC

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Jabber/XMPP, Matrix are the obvious answers.

Your ISP and mobile provider still know :) your gadgets have registered IDs in the hardware. Every mechanical thing we come up has a decode-able sequence. DIY filter bubbles each of a unique configuration, decoupled from someone else’s monolith is the only way to be sure. It’s reverse Highlander; there cannot be only one. It’s fine, we were never all going to get along anyway.