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The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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If it’s raining/snowing, or too hot, or too cold, I’d much rather be in an small enclosed car than exposed to the elements on a bike. The Ami has a primitive heater but no air conditioning, but there’s no reason that these limitations are inherent to a vehicle of this size. I imagine an Ami-sized car with creature comforts of a regular vehicle would sell extremely well in cities. Biking is great when the weather is a…

That 'raining, snowing, too hot, too cold' argument keeps coming up. You know, we humans are perfectly capable of dressing up appropriately and just enjoying the fresh air, whether it's warm or cold. In fact, it makes you feel alive! Get the nice warm gloves and raincoat out for winter, or the super light and loose shirt with sunglasses for summer.

> too hot, too cold

Ami don't have air conditioning or heating systems.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. I do it and I don't feel like I'm having a miserable existence But fuck it, let's buy a car and fuck the planet, that's much more convenient, god forbid we sweat or touch the rain, oh the horror !

> You can own multiple pair of shoes, and even have one stay at the office, same for pants. This hints at another counterpoint: it's not just yourself you have to protect from elements, but also whatever it is you want to transport with you. Like those extra shoes. Or electronics. Or groceries. Etc. Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

> Waterproof bags probably exist, but I can't say I've seen them available, or used, by anyone at all.

What? Almost all non-cheap backpacks are water-proof. Water-proof packs are around everywhere.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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It would probably cost close to that range just for the battery, but it begs the question who this is for. If your budget is £7k there are plenty of used options around that would involve sacrificing much less than this for about double the range (thinking early Leaf/Zoe/Ion). It’s neat, but it reminds me of the Twizy. Just too many compromises to still make sense.

> If your budget is £7k there are plenty of used options around that would involve sacrificing much less than this for about double the range (thinking early Leaf/Zoe/Ion). The Zoe is a 33 000 € car brand new. Cars must start somewhere before a used market show up to cheapen them further. This one will be even cheaper down the road once it appears in the used market. As for who uses it, I know plenty of people who ow…

> The Zoe is a 33 000 € car brand new.

The Zoe has been around since 2012, although you're probably want a model from 2015 onwards. There's a big used car market for Zoes out there.

I get your point though, more modern EVs are only just coming onto the market now so it'll take a while for them to filter through.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Many different auto companies have produced numerous different cars over a very long period of time. Which one is the “official” template of what a car should look like?

It is necessary not to look ridiculous.

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Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Its ugly! A key to Tesla's success is that its cars look like cars, not abominations. Many electric car makers seem to hate cars.

i think it's cute, it's very small, practical for a city life it's not meant to be luxurious, it's meant to be affordable and it's not meant to "look like a car", it's meant to be useful and practical To quote the article: "In France, anyone from the age of 14 can drive one without a licence. You can also hire an Ami on a short-term basis in Paris. For €0.26-a-minute (with a subscription fee of €9.90 per month) you c…

> and it's not meant to "look like a car", it's meant to be useful and practical

How many "Ugly electric practical and useful electric cars" sell well?

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Its ugly! A key to Tesla's success is that its cars look like cars, not abominations. Many electric car makers seem to hate cars.

Did we forget the Cybertruck already?

You're right. Cybertruck is also an abomination.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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The NEV category (basically golf cart) make sense in specific neighborhoods -- not in dense cities (where they're still too big), not in really long distance rural settings (although a Gator/UTV or something on your own property can be awesome), but in the right kind of suburban/resort/etc. community, amazing. I am not a big fan of bicycle/moped/motorcycle because I usually want more stuff with me if I'm not just goi…

You'd be surprised what you can get on a bicycle with just a rear rack and a bag. It does require a bit more planning ahead, which I'll admit can be annoying.

Or a trailer for more stuff.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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Good luck convincing people to give up their cars and go to work soaked in a raincoat every day.

Me and many of my collagues do this. We have a drying room at the workplace where we can hang our drenched raincoats.

Yeah -- a lot of the problems presented here (proper clothing for the weather, showering/changing/drying your commuting gear at the office) have simple and quite affordable solutions as soon as even a few people do it.

Office and apartment buildings here (Helsinki) even compete by providing convenient bike storage even for cargo bikes with easy access, washing spots for bikes/muddy or sandy gear, drying cabinets etc.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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And the same applies to every other vehicle, but I suppose you would still get in a car on a rainy day? You adjust speed and cycling style to the conditions, and for winter cycling there are plenty of good options for studded tires. The Nordics have succeeded in making winter cycling a more common activity, and you might want to check out the "winter cycling capital of the world": Oulu, Finland.

Last year a friend broke 2 ribs and forearm by slipping over some wet leaves on a bycicle - I don't see how that's comparable to a car. Also I don't have windshield wipers on my face (or windshield for that matter) - but maybe I'm just wired like that.

> I don't see how that's comparable to a car.

Yesterday, local news, a car crash with all three involved drivers dead.

Re: The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range

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And the same applies to every other vehicle, but I suppose you would still get in a car on a rainy day? You adjust speed and cycling style to the conditions, and for winter cycling there are plenty of good options for studded tires. The Nordics have succeeded in making winter cycling a more common activity, and you might want to check out the "winter cycling capital of the world": Oulu, Finland.

Last year a friend broke 2 ribs and forearm by slipping over some wet leaves on a bycicle - I don't see how that's comparable to a car. Also I don't have windshield wipers on my face (or windshield for that matter) - but maybe I'm just wired like that.

My commute is 4mi each way in quite-rainy Portland, rain on my glasses isn't too much of a problem, though fine mist I need to wipe off occasionally. I haven't ever had any serious problems with road conditions (in ~20yr of bike commutes), though I do have to slow down / watch the turns until later in the winter when most of the leaves are out of the road.
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