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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Not sure why you're being down voted when a lot of us just use X with a window manager instead of a full fat DE.

Me neither. Sadly, I think some users think no desktop environment means no graphics at all, or perhaps a very primitive graphical setup.

I'm an i3 elitist myself, but I think you're missing the point that not everyone wants i3

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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These laptops have a severe flaw that nobody seems to be speaking about.

The speakers point DOWNWARDS!

They're supposed to be pointing upwards, towards where your ears are supposed to be.

The downwards pointing speakers are a good fit for 2 in 1 laptops, that transform into tablets, as the most common usage of those is to fold them over, therefore pointing the speakers towards yourself.

But not LAPtops. These either sit on a desk, directing the sound towards plywood, or if you use them in bed, or on top of a blanket (when not working and using it as a personal device), sound getting muffled by the fabric.

I've tested ones of the tuxedo laptops we bough a while back that has the same flaw. The sound muffling is not that big, but it is noticeable, compared to my HP laptop with speakers next to the screen above the keyboard. And of course, compared to a macbook, it sounds horrible.

Bad speaker placement and bad speaker quality. I guess it's OK for work purposes but if you want to use it as a personal device that you want to enjoy during your past time, you, just like me, will get frustrated.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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I work for a smartphone and found that tuning for the battery is hard, labor intensive work. And you also need awareness from the app developer whose apps do use the battery. Plus you need a lot of users to justify these efforts to be get paid. It's not technical superiority but more about the economy of scale. I bet Linux is much more energy efficient in datacenters than Windows because of this reason.

you work for a smartphone?

I guess I meant I worked for a smartphone development.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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So, I can spend 16 hours in the torture of typing on a crap keyboard. Great :-( Seriously, why don't laptop makers understand that a "workstation" needs a decent non-chicklet keyboard?

Because it doesn’t and there are millions of people happily using MacBooks for typing-heavy jobs.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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> They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. AFAIK they only sell rebadged Clevo products. You should be able to get any of their laptops on https://clevo-computer.com/en/laptops-configurator/ just without the badge.

I find it misleading that they do not mention it, then. Something like "Our Clevo-based laptops are assembled by us [...]" would suffice. Laptops with Linux[1] does it, why not them? [1] https://laptopwithlinux.com/

But are the assembled by them? I mean they install memory, storage and print the logo but I doubt it's much more than that. IIRC System 76 is the same

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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which is great until you see that the proc is basically a 35w monster. (peak 115watts)

35W does not seem monstrous for a 14".

Apart from something like an intel macpro with an i9 processor (intel-core-i99980hk) has a TDP of 45 (but ranges from 13 to 75)

35w constant is a big drain.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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>It's not Linux's fault per se It IS linux's fault, in the way that whenever someone new comes into the ecosystem and says "hey this important thing doesn't work well or is broken for me" and get accosted from all directions by crazy people who haven't touched mac or windows in 20 years who insist that what you describe isn't possible, linux is super easy to fix yourself (lol), and that ideas from computing in the 60…

Interesting comment regarding the window manager, I had to use a Mac at work recently and apparently one has to use 3rd party tools to be able to snap windows. Coming from KDE Plasma I found this astonishing.

Important note, when I said "Window manager" I was actually bitching about the stupidity of X and Wayland both being pretty bad, missing functionality, or specifically for X, being so old the original ideas and ideology it was built with don't even make sense anymore. I guess that's "Windowing system" instead? Either way, I shouldn't have to know anything about any of that to use a damn computer. It should be a tool, not a lifestyle or ideology.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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>It's not Linux's fault per se It IS linux's fault, in the way that whenever someone new comes into the ecosystem and says "hey this important thing doesn't work well or is broken for me" and get accosted from all directions by crazy people who haven't touched mac or windows in 20 years who insist that what you describe isn't possible, linux is super easy to fix yourself (lol), and that ideas from computing in the 60…

please, windows can't even get alt+tab right... it just goes to whatever the fuck clown that wrote it thought would be good idea instead of previously focused window Let alone arcane tech like "search in list of open windows"

I'm sorry what? I've never ever ever experienced this, and I've used alt-tab daily since like 2006.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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These laptops have a severe flaw that nobody seems to be speaking about. The speakers point DOWNWARDS! They're supposed to be pointing upwards, towards where your ears are supposed to be. The downwards pointing speakers are a good fit for 2 in 1 laptops, that transform into tablets, as the most common usage of those is to fold them over, therefore pointing the speakers towards yourself. But not LAPtops. These either…

Same flaw all the Thinkpads have had for centuries now. Garbage speakers are the norm for laptops. The first time I heard one of the newer MacBooks speakers while I had a Thinkpad was eye opening.

Work gives me an elite book and while it’s much better than most, it’s still bad. The whole case resonates and adds noise and it runs some shitty software that uses 30% cpu to make it sound decent. Disabling that software brings it back to average laptop levels.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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My experience is exactly the opposite. If that make me a "Linux apologist" I don't really care. Install TLP, uninstall thermald, and make sure turbo mode is off (it's on by default in Linux - probably applies to Intel only). Under light load the system is using 6-8w (about 9-10h of usage on the 80WH battery), under 4w when completely idle. This is latest Fedora on a ThinkPad X1 Extreme with KDE. I want to see that wi…

>Install TLP, uninstall thermald, and make sure turbo mode is off (it's on by default in Linux - probably applies to Intel only). Sorry, but that's not a good argument in favor of Linux when basic power management is not part of the OS and you need to set it up yourself manually. Can you imagine Microsoft or Apple shipping their OSs without power management? I need an OS to work out of the box so I can get to work/en…

> Sorry, but that's not a good argument in favor of Linux when basic power management is not part of the OS and you need to set it up yourself manually. Can you imagine Microsoft or Apple shipping their OSs without power management? I need an OS to work out of the box so I can get to work/entertainment, not a hobby to tinker with. I still enjoy tinkering with Linux but it should be only when I want-to, not a need-to.

That entirely depends on the distro you use. Any "mainstream" distro should already have power saving tools set up properly. Of course if you use something more DIY like Arch you will have to set those up yourself. You can't just group every distro together as "Linux" when you will get a different experience on each one.

> I want to see Linux automatically scale the CPU power and frequency based on the load put on it like Windows does: idles at 600MHz when doing nothing, click on the Firefox tab and it shoots up to 3,6GHz, then back down to 800MHz. That's what any sane OS should do out of the box, not have you install and fiddle with a bunch of tools and maybe still not be as good.

Unless you are using the performance or powersave governors (except with intel-pstate active) that's already what it should be doing. Once again you shouldn't have to tinker with that stuff on any sane distro.

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