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India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by db1234 »

Qtips87 wrote: post #194

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More than 50% of Indian MPs are lower caste and minorities https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/only-39-mps-are-politi... Indian PM and president are from backward caste. Reservation for lower caste in government educational institutes and jobs is more than 50% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India#States. So much for upper caste having complete control of democracy and lower caste being "the most disenfranchised and marginalized communities". I'm not saying all problems are solved. It's a work in progress like any other democracy but progress is being made slowly and steadily.

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by richard___ »

richard___ wrote: post #28
mensetmanusman wrote: post #15

Such an awesome accomplishment. Also, it’s interestingly a huge black eye to the CCP: news of this Indian accomplishment will be censored in China, because it proves that nations can progress without forced-sterilization/-abortion/-1-child-policy/authoritarianism/ etc.

Why do so many people on HN hate on China? What's your relationship with Chinese people in your personal life?

Raise your hand if you hate the CCP and you have a Chinese ex. There is already one guy who said as much in this thread.

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by aylmao »

zmaurelius wrote: post #98
e-clinton wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“the US is doing the same to other countries” Source? “If some random Russian not can trigger a coup” It’s still an act of aggression regardless of whether the US is equipped to deal with it. While I agree that the US does lots of shitty things, we have way more checks and balances than our key enemies. For one, it is the people who elect those who represent us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... I think it would be naive to think similar programs are not being enacted in the present day.

John Bolton has been directly involved with foreign policy at least since he first worked at the State Department (the department responsible for the USAs foreign policy and relations) in 1989.

He has openly been a an advocate for military action and regime change by the US in several countries[1]. Recently he also openly mentioned his role in helping plan coups d'etat in an interview, when asked about the events on January 6th that followed the 2020 election:

"As somebody who has helped plan coups d'etat— not here but you know (in) other places— it takes a lot of work." [2]

Also, tragically enough, he in fact served as the 25th United States Ambassador to the United Nations. Just a reminder, when listing its principles, the first point of the UN's foundational charter reads: "The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members."

The USA counting a self-proclaimed "coup planner" as their ambassador to the UN can give us an idea of how fundamental interfering (ie, "hacking") other nation's affairs is to their foreign policy, and how little it respects the sovereignty of nations.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvMJDTrL2E

[3]: https://legal.un.org/repertory/art2.shtml

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by quonn »

zmaurelius wrote: post #98
e-clinton wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“the US is doing the same to other countries” Source? “If some random Russian not can trigger a coup” It’s still an act of aggression regardless of whether the US is equipped to deal with it. While I agree that the US does lots of shitty things, we have way more checks and balances than our key enemies. For one, it is the people who elect those who represent us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... I think it would be naive to think similar programs are not being enacted in the present day.

Those programs did not remain hidden then, why would they now?

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Qtips87 wrote: post #194

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Can you explain this dichotomy then? You say people who vote are lower caste, and those who "don't vote" are upper caste, yet the upper castes control the government.

Are you saying then that the voting is fraudulent? Or that lower caste voters are voting against their interests? Or that there are restrictions on the candidates that are available so voters are only given the illusion of choice? E.g. for lunch we can choose between KFC, Taco Bell or Pizza Hut, but they're all actually the same company.

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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yutijke wrote: post #215
Qtips87 wrote: post #194

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Is this your lived experience? I am finding it hard to believe when the Prime Minister of India comes under what is classified as a "Backward" caste there. The President of India, Droupadi Murmu comes from a historically disadvantaged tribal background. The political parties and political commentariat in India heavily emphasize Caste and other identitarian aspects as the building blocks of building a coalition rather…

India's political system has all the forms but none of the substance of a democracy. Yes Modi is from a backward caste but his policies are biased towards the upper caste and he is beholden to the upper caste support. The proof in the pudding is how well off the lower caste compared to the upper caste in the last seventy year. And the answer is the lower caste is worst off compared to their upper caste counterpart after seventy years of upper caste rule.

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by itspi »

I don't comment but also hate reading popular threads like this but I will do it anyway because someone was interested in hearing from someone living in India.

There's so much emphasis (from comments) on information technology services contributing to this. This is a recent phenomenon. Growth due to IT services was extremely concentrated in a few cities and most took their family there.

India was never a nation state before becoming a federal republic. Poverty was not widespread uniformly over the subcontinent. Over-reliance on agriculture and lack of trade meant factors like climate patterns disproportionately affected people in the lower social order.

Government definitely played a role in establishing energy infrastructure, educational institutions, introducing healthcare schemes and before that, smart people played an even bigger role with the constitution.

India's growth can be traced to a small list of landmark decisions which caused chain reactions.

- 1950 Constitution and enforcement by institutions

- 1954 Midday Meal Scheme

- 1956 Non-Aligned Movement

- 1961 Green Revolution

- 1970 Operation Flood

- 1991 Economic liberalisation

Looking back, just liberty guaranteed by Constitution wouldn't have worked because of the caste system.

I can add more if someone's interested.

- itspi

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Post by [deleted] »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #12
brosinante wrote: post #6

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Didn't China ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l... ) and the USSR ( https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-the-former-soviet-u... ) do similarly?

China's unprecedented generational explosion into the middle class happened only after Deng Xiaoping instituted market reforms. Economically, China is certainly more socialist than the west, but far more capitalist than it was in the 1970's. Same with USSR/Russia, post-communism.

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