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Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Sure one instance could support that if you pay amazon $2k/mo for a monster instance, but most do not have that kind of money to donate. Most servers will be small, or you can host your own.

I think we are talking past each other.

I hear you.

It would be cool if someone rewrote it with a Crystal framework. Although there are limitations to this because it's faster than Ruby and similar to Ruby but not completely like Ruby.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33398253

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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Predictions: Mastodon becomes platform for technically minded center left. Tribel Social becomes lower brow left version of Parler. Twitter loses customers to aforementioned platforms but survives.

Prediction: masses get into Mastodon, governments mandate protocol tapping to filter out some ActivityPub traffic, for "kids good" or to "stop terrorism". Hosting companies and ISPs start to disallow hosting social networks in their T&C, kind like torrent or crypto mining.

That won’t happen unless Mastodon becomes a hub for socialists and communists. The average Twitter user switching to Mastodon isn’t radical enough for that. Western governments won’t censor ideas within their overton windows, so they won’t censor anything from centre left to centre right.

You won’t see censorship of Mastodon until anarchists and communists use it to coordinate protests at scale.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I feel like most people I know on the left have essentially abandoned social media as inherently unproductive and instead gather in local group chats which can only be found by being active in a community. So the only people who will really be hanging around are probably techno optimists

That’s pretty much what their opposition wants. Previously they controlled what was allowed to be said on the mainstream platforms and that was influential. Scattering off to 1000 different Balkanized ghettos puts them back on the margins. This was what happened to the far right already.

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Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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You have a point, but think about it from the newbies perspective. They have no idea how many posts they won't see. Everybody is used to centralized where they see everything and now they're being told to check out this alternative where you might not see everything. Okay, does that mean 50% of what gets posted won't be seen? 25%? 5%? Will I be able to see what my favorite celeb posts? There's zero context for a newb…

Honestly, I think it's concern trolling. Newbies don't know federation is incomplete, so it's not a problem for them. It's only on the HN threads full of mastodon haters that the topic even gets mentioned, but these are not newbies. They're people looking for reasons to be unhappy.

Perhaps some are concern trolling, but I think it's still a legitimate problem if you want people to take up the technology. I use mastodon, but I know it's not the easiest thing to pick up. A lot of the complaining, to me, is just recognizing the common pattern of technically-minded creators not recognizing that the tech (and how it's presented) can get in the way of encouraging more users to join.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

Am I the only one who doesn't get why chosing a server is necesary? I just don't get it at all from a user experience perspective. Do we need to pick servers with Bittorrent? no. Just tell it what file you want (magnet link). Do we need to pick servers with Tox? no. Just tell it what friend you want to talk to (contact ID). Or to pick a centralized example: do we need to pick a server on Twitter? no. duh. Then why is…

You need to pick servers (providers) for emails. But we don't really think about it this much because we're used to it.

The fediverse is built on a very similar type of network: federated servers, similarly to how gmail talks to yahoo and hotmail.

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not sure what you mean by "follow a server"? You can interact with/follow people on other servers from yours.

Each server has a local timeline. Some are visible to non-subscribers, some are not. I’m on fosstodon which has this as the local timeline. https://fosstodon.org/web/public/local On many servers I can do the obvious substitution to see that server’s local timeline. I don’t think I’ve seen any servers that link that from their top level page.

This asks for a login - but you can't use "your" login, you have to create a login for that server.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

It is a lot like email. There is no centralized email network either. Ultimately, people will realize that they are really looking for a specific community rather than joining "Mastodon" itself.

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Each server has a local timeline. Some are visible to non-subscribers, some are not. I’m on fosstodon which has this as the local timeline. https://fosstodon.org/web/public/local On many servers I can do the obvious substitution to see that server’s local timeline. I don’t think I’ve seen any servers that link that from their top level page.

> https://fosstodon.org/web/public/local This presents me with a log in form.

Might be related to this message they have on their main page:

> Due to the massive influx of users from Twitter, we have had to temporarily close registrations. Please check back later if you wish to join Fosstodon.

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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I really want to like Mastodon, and every few years I make an attempt to join. But then, I am faced with the decision of choosing a server - if I like cooking and golf, do I join the cooking server or the golf server? What if I choose wrong ? - and the choice overload makes me just give up. And even if I really joined, then apparently my server's administrator would be able to silently prevent me from seeing other "e…

from @SilverEagle@pony.social People treating cell phones like they treat Mastodon: "ok...so you're saying I get a phone number, but I have to pick a provider? wtf that sounds like work...but I can call you even if you're using a different one, because they all talk to each other? so f*ing confused rn"

Re: Mastodon's founder has a vision to democratize social media

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My observation is that the modern leftt wing social media user only thrives when there are 'conservative Nazis' around that they can piss off. Hence Lemmy, Tumblr, Mastodon, etc. being largely failures. They all miss the key ingredient that the left wingers need to really get their endorphin hit: people to virtue signal over. We can both play this game but I don't think it's particularly helpful. One could say Elon i…

I think you're only half wrong here. The difference is that you can virtue signal to people inside of your own crowd without much consequence, but if you seek to offend them, they kick you out. There's definitely (a lot of) virtue signaling going on in the fediverse, for what it's worth. And I really don't see people on the left getting the same sort of kicks out of pissing people off that people on the right seem to…

I think you're only half wrong here. The difference is that you can piss off people outside of your own crowd without much consequence, but if you seek to offend them, they kick you out. There's definitely (a lot of) pissing off lefties going on in Parler, Truth Social, etc. for what it's worth. And I really don't see people on the right getting the same sort of kicks out of virtue signaling (AKA pissing right wing people off) that people on the left seem to enjoy. As you sort of pointed out, they're annoying in different ways. ;)

Again, we can both play these games. You original presumption:

>My observation is that the modern right wing social media user only thrives when there are 'liberal snowflakes' around that they can piss off.

Remember, one of the major reasons behind Truth Social, Parler, etc. failing to gain user share is the fact that their respective apps were banned from Google/Apple stores.

At the end if the day, both extremes, left and right, need an enemy to point at and rally over. They are different sides of the same coin.

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