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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by hyperhopper »

nottorp wrote: post #86
mesebrec wrote: post #65

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

This deserves a lot of publicity. Why send a DMCA takedown instead of contact the people involved? Will they do the same if some vulnerability is found in Signal? Lawyer up instead of fix the problem?

Exactly, using lawyers first is a very bad sign. I don't know why often people say "oh it was just the lawyers" like that makes it okay.

No, those lawyers are paid for by and directed by signal. Signal is responsible.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by FullyFunctional »

This is my semi-regular message where I decry that Keybase Chat (https://keybase.io) isn't more popular. It's cross-platform, fully E2EE, has the best identity solution of all, open source, doesn't depend on phone numbers, etc etc, isn't mar In my experience, it beat all the alternatives I have used (incl. Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, and especially Apple's Messenger). The only caveat is that Keybase.io got acquired by Zoom (thus, it's Zoom now) and the service is at the continued mercy of Zoom. However it's been a year (years?) and it's still working great.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by calgoo »

freedomben wrote: post #155
gort19 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you recommend as an alternative?

keybase.io has been great, although it's not without its risks either since it was acquired by Zoom. It's still up and seemingly maintained but AFAIK there's no new feature work. I've heard WhatsApp recommended from people I trust, but I have never personally used it so can't speak from experience.

The legal team at the company I work for are suggesting to remove keybase and treat it as compromised as there is no way of knowing of keys and other data has not been shared with the Chinese government. No proof at all of course, just the world we live in I guess :)

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by charcircuit »

nottorp wrote: post #86
mesebrec wrote: post #65

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

This deserves a lot of publicity. Why send a DMCA takedown instead of contact the people involved? Will they do the same if some vulnerability is found in Signal? Lawyer up instead of fix the problem?

That is what a DMCA takedown is. You contacting the people involved to get something taken down.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by capitalsigma »

hammycheesy wrote: post #179
kodah wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly not what I expected to hear about Moxie. Any more tales that back this up? If this line of behavior is true then I think it's time to move on.

Reading this thread is what convinced me to switch away from Signal and investigate Matrix: https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

I was ready to grab my pitchfork after that first comment, but farther down:

>>Some time ago you federated with CyanogenMod. What has changed since then?

>What changed was going through that experience. It seriously degraded the UX for our users and held us back in the development process at many times. I'd estimate that all told, we lost about 6 months to a year of progress. It's something we'll probably never do again, and has fully convinced me that federated protocols are a thing of the past in this world of ours.

That's a pretty reasonable take: we tried it and it hurt velocity too much.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by yuuu »

jeroenhd wrote: post #198
yuuu wrote: post #176

The Signal developers don't even provide RPM- or AppImage-based installers, despite being able to create the latter in their build pipeline. I'm never donating anything to them because I'm convinced they're lazy and stupid.

The Signal developers have the freedom to distribute their application in any way they see fit. If they don't want to support your machine then that's their choice. You're free to set up a fork if you want to see change in this regard, as long as you don't violate their trademark and terms of service. I don't use gnome-calculator on Windows because there's no official Windows distribution available for that platform.…

Just read this since you aren't familiar with the context: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1758

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by kekkidy »

charcircuit wrote: post #224
nottorp wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This deserves a lot of publicity. Why send a DMCA takedown instead of contact the people involved? Will they do the same if some vulnerability is found in Signal? Lawyer up instead of fix the problem?

That is what a DMCA takedown is. You contacting the people involved to get something taken down.

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by Zak »

cyberphobe wrote: post #182
kevin_b_er wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What this is is also another reason not to use Snap. This is a multi-level failure. 1. Signal-Desktop is AGPLv3: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop 2. The snap package metadata is AGPLv3: https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop So, this looks like a fraudulent DMCA claim by Signal, as the snap package maintainers and Canonicial have an open source license! This shows malice by Signal. 3. No-one from C…

AGPLv3 does not somehow permit trademark violations. Signal has taken issue with third parties building binaries and calling them Signal, and I can’t really blame them. This is the same reason Signal isn’t in F-Droid

DMCA takedowns are for copyright only, not trademark. Requesting or demanding removal for trademark reasons is legitimate, but using the DMCA takedown process when there is not a copyright violation is fraudulent.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by timbit42 »

warent wrote: post #33

This is really sad because I've become a huge Ubuntu fanboy in the last year, but this behavior is unacceptable. They need to fix their processes and be more dev friendly or they're going to lose allies.

Many Ubuntu users have moved to either Linux Mint, which is still based on Ubuntu, or Debian, neither of which have Snaps by default.
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