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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by jasode »

capableweb wrote: post #213
bombardier6789 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be your definition of distributed?

Going beyond the traditional client server/thin client architecture with at least 2 servers is what I'd consider distributed.

> with at least 2 servers is what I'd consider distributed.

There are several meanings of "distributed" :

(1) multiple servers coordination like Google's MapReduce BigTable, Cassandra, Hadoop, etc

(2) describing a split client+server architecture that may have just 1 server. This usage of "distributed architecture" in discussions was more common in 1980s/1990s with the rise of client/server computing. Visual Basic CRUD, PowerBuilder, SAP R/3, etc.

In the Jetbrains article, if you do Ctrl+F search for all occurrences of "distributed", it is clear they're talking about meaning (2): https://blog.jetbrains.com/fleet/2022/06/fleet-below-deck-pa...

To answer your previous question: >I'm guessing they mean the architecture is decoupled, [...] but with a fancier word?

It's not a fancier word. Jetbrains is re-using an existing description of "distributed==client/server" that's been around for decades. It's just that "distributed computing" has been recently dominated by the examples of meaning (1) above.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by Jtsummers »

cpctheman wrote: post #135

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like this supports remote development (at least from what I can tell poking around their site). Until Gateway is performant & stable enough to use, I’m sticking with VSCode. It’s a shame because I prefer IntelliJ for Java development, but lacking remote development stability is a deal breaker.

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/fleet/install-on-a-remote-mac... - It seems it does support remote dev. Just played with it on my laptop and a Linux VPS I toss things onto from time to time, it worked alright. Haven't tried anything serious with it yet. When Fleet launched I had the option of connecting via SSH, specified the IP and port, and was able to connect. It uploaded some programs which run on the remote host to support the work. I was able to edit a program and then run it. There was also a terminal available on the remote host from inside Fleet.

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Post by kobepanda »

pgo wrote: post #220
kobepanda wrote: post #210

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I've been liking https://zed.dev/ for something that gives me more smarts out of the box than Sublime Text but maintains the responsiveness. Limited set of languages but it supports the ones I use on the daily

Would you happen to have an invite for zed.dev ? I typically have 10-15 VSCode windows open and have been looking for an performant but modern IDE

Yes I have a few - is the email in your profile current?

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Post by pgo »

kobepanda wrote: post #223
pgo wrote: post #220

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Would you happen to have an invite for zed.dev ? I typically have 10-15 VSCode windows open and have been looking for an performant but modern IDE

Yes I have a few - is the email in your profile current?

Yes, palash [at] dyte.io Thanks for the invite

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Post by tasubotadas »

nobleach wrote: post #219

I had high hopes that JetBrains would relent on their decision to avoid implementing a Language Server Protocol server. There is a 3rd party implementation out there, but it needs a lot of help. I realize this cuts into their core business... but it'd sure make using Vim to write Kotlin a more pleasant experience.

Never seen language server come even close to what intellij offers.

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Post by pjmlp »

das_keyboard wrote: post #57
pjmlp wrote: post #52

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A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

Sounds like an even worse nightmare! Every developer has their own way of being productive which involves different tools & software. Forcing everyone to use one standardized environment sounds horrible.

Any developer that is willing to face the legal consequences of installing software that causes business damages, can go ahead and work around the system.

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Post by pjmlp »

mmcgaha wrote: post #68
pjmlp wrote: post #52

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A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

And when your company starts doing that to developers it is time to dust off your resume and start looking for something better. I get it that these companies have real issues and their managers are multiple times smarter than me but I refuse to be put into a position where I cannot use the tools that I need to be productive.

These companies take liability in software seriously, and if someone installs software that damages their employer business, or their employer customers, they better dust off their CV indeed, including the reason why they got fired.

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Post by syspec »

_fat_santa wrote: post #45

This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…

"New thing not perfect!"

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Post by topka »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #201
MikhailVink wrote: post #116

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JetBrains employee here, and I can clarify the point about “Requires login and periodic connection to JetBrains servers to verify the project”. If you are using Fleet in a Free (hobby) mode, we are verifying that the project comply with one of three criteria: 1. your project is local (no Git or Git Remote). 2. your project is public on GitHub. 3. your project is private but has less than 3 committers. In this case, w…

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I've been looking around at the Fleet docs and can't quite find an answer to this so far, so just hoping you might have an answer. Does the front end stack of Fleet allow one to run it in a browser when using a remote back end? The same way you can run the back end of VS Code or JupyterLab on a server and render the front end in a browser tab? I understand you can run the fron…

Running fronted in browser is not possible at the moment.

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Post by pjmlp »

_xivi wrote: post #62
zihotki wrote: post #35

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Because you do it only once and can use it in any other company you work. It's a highly portable tool for free. What are the chances that your next employer will pay for a JB license?

> Because you do it only once Not really though. Extensions are frequently deprecated or outdated, need to switch to new alternative, don't play nice together, etc. Anyway, there's no need to advocate for vscode, it's not an underdog. I imagine everyone here has already formed their opinion and tried JB IDEs, vscode, and other tools, and probably make use of all of them somewhere in their workflow.

Usually the images are done per project.

VSCode Web as modern version of X Windows based IDEs is great, as yet another Electron app not really.

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