Unbelievable behavior from SD. The subreddit is currently an unmoderated mess, illustrating they have no clue how to run the community. I am unsurprised at Discord's behavior, handing over a server like that. They have essentially been hostile when not silent to us at WSB with our 600K user server. Reddit has an opportunity to do better here. Hand back control of r/StableDiffusion back to OP. Steve Huffman alluded to…
Could you link to the Mod Summit your talking about? I wonder if 'sub transitions' is code for stealing subreddits from mods the admins don't politically agree with.
/r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Different trained model, which was extracted from its creator via unauthorized system access and is illicitly available via BitTorrent. The drama appears to have started because an open-source developer who wrote a web frontend to control SD adapted that frontend to control the hacked model also, which has offended SD's CEO (because of the general principle of "Don't help software pirates"). The additional drama incl…
> The additional drama includes that said open-source author has looked at the leaked code and concluded that it stole some of his open source work in the way it tunes text parameters. My understanding might be out of date, but as I recall it seemed that the code he thought was stolen from his open-source work actually originated from a third project that's MIT licensed.
I think that's confusing between two issues in opposite directions:
1. Accusations that AUTOMATIC1111 (the web frontend developer) copied code from the NovelAI leak relating to the loading of hypernetworks
2. The leak revealing that Anlatan (the company behind NovelAI) had copied code from AUTOMATIC1111's repo (who, as above, Anlatan are accusing of copying from them) relating to the weighting of words. AUTOMATIC1111's repo does not have a permissive license to allow this
The third party MIT-licensed code is relevant to #1. Some code AUTOMATIC1111 was accused of copying from the leak (https://i.imgur.com/r1AkvBG.png) actually already appears in multiple older permissively-licensed public repos (https://github.com/lucidrains/perceiver-pytorch/blob/main/pe..., https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/ldm/mo...), one of which was credited in the readme by AUTOMATIC1111.
For #2, the Anlatan CEO blamed it on an intern (https://i.imgur.com/BFjKG1V.png). The leak shows that the offending code was committed by the CEO (https://i.imgur.com/aLiA2tr.png), which doesn't necessarily rule it out originating from an intern (e.g: "send me the code over teams to review and I'll add it") but doesn't look great.
From other examples I'd say AUTOMATIC1111 did get a bit sloppy in terms of not following clean-room design regarding the leak, but I'm inclined to give some leeway to a solo developer making a hugely popular public tool for free.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#223I think Discord's use of the word server is misleading, and it leads people to think they own something when they don't. Discord owns it and can pull the rug out from under you at any time, regardless of how much hard work you put into building a community, and that hurts. I understand that "server" is an abstract term and just means "something which provides a service", but most other uses of the word relate to some…
Indeed. "Our server got hacked" sounds awfully more dramatic in a self-proclaimed crisis, laying the ambiguous notion of responsibility toward the "service" while maintaining the guise of ownership. Hey ho.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps, but the model weights themselves are currently understood to be uncopyrightable, and it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Unless these AI companies want google and facebook to be literally the only companies in the world that can train large scale machine learning (by using their TOS to get licenses from their users) they…
> [...] it's pretty inconceivable that the model could become copyrightable without becoming a derivative work of the training data. Another perspective that may become important is the fact that not all cultures share the same interpretation of copyright. In Japan there was a case in which a court ruled that selling a memory card with preloaded save data for a video game was a breach of the original work's integrity…
>also have to wonder what the implications would have been if NovelAI ended up launching what is now the leaked model as a paid service
huh? It was launched as a paid (subscription only) service before even getting leaked.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Individual Discord communities are, and always have been, called "servers", despite the fact that they are entirely logical/digital entities and have no particular correspondence with actual physical servers (the way IRC servers do).
> and always have been, called "servers", That's not correct, originally they were called "Guilds", which is also what the API and code still use today.
Interesting. I joined Discord fairly early, and they were already called "servers" then—but I have, indeed, seen the "guild" terminology in the API.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
The downvote (for me) is too ambiguous. Without a couple words specifically about why, it often (to me) comes off as, "I didn't like what you said, I'm too lazy to reply, so I'll down vote you." It's hard to take DV'ing seriously when there's zero context. How many times have we read a sub-comment similar to, "I'm not sure why you're being downvoted..." Nuff said. Frankly, I can't be bothered to downvote. I've seen p…
IMO downvoting is useful for comments that don't warrant a reply, or where replying would only encourage more bad behavior.
Right. When it's so painfully obvious. So then why bother? What's the objective at that point?
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#227Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#228I think Discord's use of the word server is misleading, and it leads people to think they own something when they don't. Discord owns it and can pull the rug out from under you at any time, regardless of how much hard work you put into building a community, and that hurts. I understand that "server" is an abstract term and just means "something which provides a service", but most other uses of the word relate to some…
I've also never quite liked the term, but I guess they wanted to go with terminology that gamers were already familiar with. For voice chat people would have been used to Vent, TS, or Mumble where you actually did connect to individual server instances. It seems unlikely to me that causing confusion over ownership was their intention even though that has been the effect.
(Interestingly it seems like the choice to call them servers must have come late in development, because in the API they're called guilds)
EDIT: A comment elsewhere in this thread is implying that they were officially called guilds initially but then changed because users kept calling them servers. I don't know if that's true. I don't recall ever seeing them called guilds even in the early days of Discord, but I also wouldn't have been reading their official user-facing docs and support page for pleasure.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and always have been, called "servers", That's not correct, originally they were called "Guilds", which is also what the API and code still use today.
Interesting. I joined Discord fairly early, and they were already called "servers" then—but I have, indeed, seen the "guild" terminology in the API.
I was also in pretty early (account says August 28, 2015) and I have only seen "guild" used in the API. I'm really curious what the timeline is on them being officially and publicly known as guilds and then changing to being officially called servers.
Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
OP handed it over based on a deal that Stability did not hold up their end of.
Sure, but that isn't Reddit's problem. Reddit can't step in and choose sides based on he said/she said accusations about moderation drama. The fact is, this person handed over ownership of the sub to somebody else willingly. That's the end of it. Discord was another matter.
Of course they can