Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 • Hacker News Board

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by adolph » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

GuB-42 wrote: post #147

api wrote: post #40

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It’s pretty hard for even CEOs to control direction sometimes especially in big companies. A company is like a cthonic beast with many writhing tentacles that is in fact composed of thousands of cats. A black mass of cats, writhing, seeking, crawling toward anything that will increase its share price or get a cat promoted…

A CEO is just an employee, paid by the shareholders to do the job shareholders want him to do. Usually, the job is "get us rich". The CEO can do a lot of things regarding the company direction, but it has to match the shareholders goals. Generally, if it doesn't make profit short term or long term, it is unacceptable, and here, Jack Dorsey essentially wants to kill Twitter as a company, so of course he can't do that.…

That's right, CEO needs to focus on those quarterly numbers. For example, Apple should never have let that phone operation cannibalize their perfectly good music player business. Total mistake to let a CEO have that much control and "vision."

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by jmull » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

This seems like double-talk to me. The talk is about decentralization, but also bakes in the idea it will be done exactly to their specification. Nonsense, of course.

Not to mention mastodon already exists.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by gonehome » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

Reading these it makes me wonder if they know about Urbit - it’s so much of what Jack wants that I’m really curious if he just doesn’t know about it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by monkpit » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

cochne wrote: post #163

dis-sys wrote: post #143

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> Bloomberg IS a tech company. This is like saying Microsoft is a charity - worst joke I heard in Sept 2022.

I think it’s a tech company. They employ lots of software engineers who develop a software product which is their central business. Why do you think it is not a tech company?

It’s sort of like saying Amazon is a delivery company. It’s part of a division of their company, and a main component at that. But it’s not like SREs working at AWS know or care about logistics.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by czbond » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

swalsh wrote: post #150

kidsil wrote: post #131

Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk…

It's not intelligence. I've found too smart of people typically prophesize as an intellectual exercise rather than feeling the "I have to do something or I'm a failure so let's get building" of the lesser IQ's.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by boringg » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #213

Schroedingersat wrote: post #161

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You forgot the bit where you inherit an apartheid emerald fortune.

So your assertion is that people who start with capital, always succeed, irrespective of the parent's statement? Because loads of people have a leg up, and go absolutely no where.

In fact there are a lot of expressions describing how most people born of wealth go on to lose it. From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves …

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Huh1337 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

kaiwen1 wrote: post #205

Huh1337 wrote: post #192

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What? I've literally never felt this way. Every time someone wanted to have a call with me, it was so they could push me into something with their whining, or so they could misinterpret what was said without me being able to point at a timestamped sentence. For these reasons I always refuse calls about anything important - and never had any problems solving various business issues over text. How specifically is text…

It would appear by implication that you would see meetings as always less useful than documents. This is clearly not true. Calls and meetings are almost always better for working through nuanced issues.

Yes I'd never let any serious business issue be solved on a meeting. Tech talk etc, sure. Money is involved? Never. Or rather, sure, let's discuss - but then we send a written record of exactly what was agreed.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by rayiner » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

SilverBirch wrote: post #156

I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…

Maybe I’m missing some inside baseball, but what exactly is wrong here? Dorsey created Frankenstein and has regrets. I don’t see what’s childish about that.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by generj » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

pgt wrote: post #84

With texts like this being disclosed, I am surprised that any communications at this level are still happening over surveilled networks.

The courts can frown on deliberately choosing mediums that can’t be subpoenaed. For example Musk didn’t provide a screenshot of a Signal he sent; the recipient also received a subpoena and sent a screenshot of the text. Twitter is therefore asking for adverse inference about Musk’s discovery compliance.

But also notice all the times they ask for a phone call, which wouldn’t be recorded (other than that it happened and length). Of course the contents of that call can be asked about in deposition but people lie, misremember, don’t recall, or “don’t recall” all the time in depositions.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Huh1337 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

towaway15463 wrote: post #211

Huh1337 wrote: post #192

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What? I've literally never felt this way. Every time someone wanted to have a call with me, it was so they could push me into something with their whining, or so they could misinterpret what was said without me being able to point at a timestamped sentence. For these reasons I always refuse calls about anything important - and never had any problems solving various business issues over text. How specifically is text…

Sounds like you’re surrounded by toxic people, likely as a result of this attitude.

I'm not choosing the people, there's no overflow of opportunities where I live. Almost always it seems like the ones who handle money/hold political power are toxic, and I need to protect myself from them. Never had any such issue with my friends, so I doubt it's really just about me.