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YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.

I’ve recently started using yandex lately and have say I also find it refreshing. My favourite is the image search I just find it superior to other search engines.

Better than bing image search, my current go to?

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…

So many smart people there and such an idiotic solution - this whole short sighted, mind narrowing, engagement "boosting" recommendation system must be trained on attention horizon of a fruit fly.

It’s also about engagement and avoiding offending folks via dislikes. IMO dislikes are essential.

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Why is everybody pretending the recommendation system is designed to show you what you want to see, rather than to maximise ad revenue?

That's why I've never intentionally clicked on a recommended video.

I'll go to watch one thing and leave. All the recommended stuff is just straight up garbage.

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The only way to make YouTube even remotely tolerable is with liberal use of the "Not Interested" and "Don't Recommend Channel" functions. I also set up separate YouTube viewing accounts by interest, so that I can clobber away everything not related to a specific interest in that particular account (eg. anything not sports related gets "Don't Recommend Channel"'d in my Sports YT account). YouTube pretty much fights yo…

The only way to make it tolerable IMO is to stop using its frontends, and relying on its recommendation system. Use alternative apps like NewPipe, Invidious, and mpv+yt-dlp, and curate your own viewing experience with a simple list of uploaded videos from your subscriptions. If you want to watch a video about a certain topic, search for it, and never watch it from YouTube itself. Just don't feed their algorithms, and don't rely on them.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Ann Reardon (not Reed, as I wrote originally), from "How to cook that" did a video on it. Basically Youtube rewards interactions, and a dislike is an interaction. Her main evidence was a video by pewdiepie where he asks everyone who views it to dislike it. It is one of his most viewed videos, at least around that time, and by far the most disliked. Sadly Ann Reardon names her videos after what she cooks or debunks, a…

This one? https://youtu.be/KqAEC4jLFqA?t=905

BTW, her name is Ann Reardon.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Doesn't seem popular because it's autonomous and scary and all but youtube should just move towards the tiktok system of algorithmic recommendation purely based on what people watch. How people vote with their feet will always be the strongest genuine indicator of what they actually want.

Likes and Dislikes have countless of disadvantages. They're subject to review bombing, heavily skew towards power users because normal people don't even care to hit any buttons and it's a purely binary choice.

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I've been using a cron job to watch/download my watch later playlist so I can view the videos on plex at a later time: https://github.com/nburns/utilities/blob/master/youtube.fish... Theres another script that deletes watched videos from the specific youtube plex library every night. It works great as long as you remember to remove the videos from your watched later playlist before watching them on plex. (Have yet to…

The tool that I was in love with for a few months before Google / YouTube effectively killed it off was mpsyt / mps-youtube. https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube > It was (well, still is) a terminal-based YouTube client which provided search, locally-managed playlists, choice of playback mode (video or audio-only), downloads, and a number of other features. YouTube quashed it with an API-key limitations such th…

Oh nice, I’m going to have to check yewtube out

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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YouTube doesn't seem to understand my preferences, at all. It's far, far too biased toward what you recently watched. It basically doesn't work and certainly doesn't "learn" anything.

I feel like every recommendation service works this way - YouTube, Amazon, Spotify, etc. Whatever the last thing you looked at becomes your entire life's mission according to these systems. When I think about all the buzz words around machine learning, ai, and so on, it's completely incompatible with the reality I see. What exactly are all these engineering teams doing just to end up with this result? Amazon might be…

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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post #80

I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…

> Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer

You mean 2 more minutes of engagement!

I know, let's try using the provided search filter feature to sort by rating. Surely this will give some useful listing that prioritizes user deemed quality!

Testing this with "Subaru repair" (no quotes), the top result has 11 views from 2 years ago.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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post #80

I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…

The problem with the dislike button seems to be that nobody agrees on what it should be used for. In previous HN discussions, it's become apparent that some people use it to say "I am not interested in this video". That is of zero use to other users. The video isn't necessarily bad, it's just on a topic you don't care about. If you are instead using it to mean "this video is factually wrong" or "this video is obnoxio…

Same arguments can be made for the like button. I do like it because, funny, informative, correct information etc.

No use case defined = use as you see fit.

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