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“Secrets” about the consumer audio business you may find interesting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ultimate goal and purpose of any economic system is to serve whole society - those people own anything because we as a society recognize that we are not able at present moment to build better system without their rent seeking behaviour. But this does not mean that they have some god given right to unlimited dividends from work of others. It all seems backwards (as in tail wagging the dog). And don't get me wrong…

> The ultimate goal and purpose of any economic system is to serve whole society [...] Sure. But that's not in contradiction to individual parts of the system having individual (and different) purposes. Btw, not all companies have to make a profit. That's just a pretty common goal. (And if you want your business to stay afloat in the long run, you have to at least break even.) > But this does not mean that they have…

>> Sure. But that's not in contradiction to individual parts of the system having individual (and different) purposes.

But those purposes are only allowed because they serve greater purpose. On their own they are meaningless.

>>Btw, not all companies have to make a profit. That's just a pretty common goal. (And if you want your business to stay afloat in the long run, you have to at least break even.)

Maybe if You mean non profits like charitable fundations that holds water, but those are mostly not real businesses. I do not think is feasible to break event for normal companies. Its like with birthrate - if You naive You could believe that with birthrate equal to 2 (one children for each parent) to preserve status quo. But in real life minimal rate is around 2.1 to prevent population collapse. The same is with profits - You need some to account for future risks.

>> Duh, obviously you only get dividends from businesses you own.

It's only obvious if You ignore platform effects (amazon anyone?) and monopolies, but that's besides the point. The point is that owners collectively as a class are able to extract too much from the system. And by owners I do not mean the hatted guy from monopoly, or rather not only him, but also german pensioner with ever increasing life expectancy crashing his hundred thousand euro camper around Europe. Even here in Poland I personally know people that are retired for decades and their work life was mostly sitting around doing nothing (my own grandma was retired for almost 50 year and before that was a housewife and got pension from my grandpa work). Meanwhile most of younger generation will probably never be able to afford to buy own house (unless someone old dies and leaves them inheritance).

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I built my own speakers for under $200 and I honestly think they are some of the best I've ever heard for a personal setup. They were inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKIye4RZ-5k (Tech Ingredients) . I built the speakers from foam board, the subwoofer from car audio parts and the amp is a standard class D amp. The best part is whenever someone comments on how good my speakers sound I can say I built them m…

I assume you mean for under $200 of materials; and you did not charge yourself for the labour?

Why would you charge yourself labour for doing something you enjoy? If anything you should be paying yourself!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accounting (for example the poster in the link states marketing does not make up COGS, which to someone who studied accounting is obvious). Simple economics (poster reveals "secret" that Price*Quantity can equal higher total revenue when price/quantity change disproportionately). Consumer behaviour (Dr. Dre can lead people to believe crap from pile A is better than crap from pile B). This is apparent insider-knowledg…

Apparently I've absorbed this knowledge via osmosis working in management at Tech Companies. All of what you said just seems mostly common sense to me. Even stocks, bonds, cost of capital and other "advanced" topics don't really seem very advanced.

I doubt it's uncommon for people with long careers in management to gain the equivalent experience of a degree in a field so diverse and therefore generalized as "business."

22 year olds know this stuff when they leave school, right?

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As the owner of a pair of high-end Audeze, this article makes me wonder how much of the cost is marketing, as opposed to going towards "quality", for whatever definition of it. It's nicely built, sounds great, very neutral for production work, but.. $1000 great? Could I have gotten comparable performance for 1/10th the price? Is there an objective way of measuring "quality" in this space for premium products?

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/...

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The problem with audio in general is that its really difficult to find decent reviews of the product. I used to work as a tech in a recording studio (along with a theatre and TV studio) We have a set of nearfield speakers, and that was about it. However audio reviews are basically: "Its got punchy bass" and "sounds a bit woolly" or "has brilliant clarity in the upper regions" are about as descriptive as review get. N…

Yep - reviews of consumer electronics in general are awash with useless content-farm generated crap. IMO the best audio review site currently is https://www.audioholics.com/

The comment you are replying to was criticising "experts" not content farms.

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The problem with audio in general is that its really difficult to find decent reviews of the product. I used to work as a tech in a recording studio (along with a theatre and TV studio) We have a set of nearfield speakers, and that was about it. However audio reviews are basically: "Its got punchy bass" and "sounds a bit woolly" or "has brilliant clarity in the upper regions" are about as descriptive as review get. N…

It's "funny" how sometimes the "audiophile" equipment people use for hearing music is way more expensive (not better, necessarily) than the equipment used to record said music. Particularly cables.

How come an "audiophile" balanced XLR cable is 10 times more expensive (or more) than the ones used to connect the mics in the original recording, even when using the best Mogami cable, Neutrik plugs and paying somebody for hand soldering it?

More or less same as you, the team made by my "cheap" Denon amp plus a couple of Q Acoustics bookshelf speakers (and a relatively cheap high quality bluetooth receiver) sounds great, and the whole costs just a bit more than some crappy Beats headphones.

(Now that I'm venting, brands like Bose have some nice things but overprice lots of their equipment. Not to talk about the "DSP boards" needed to run their classic 802 PA systems, that was so bad)

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This doesn't at all surprise me. I consider myself a enthousiast with a limited budget. For instance I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 25-1 II for maybe 15 years now and I still enjoy them. Same goes for my KRK Rokit monitors. But recently I wanted to buy some Bluetooth headphones, since you know, the 3.5mm is absent from my new phone. For those headphones I just went to the local MediaMarkt. First looked at crazy expen…

My gut feeling for headphones is that the $40-$80 price point is optimal and everything above that is smoke and mirrors. (or more charitably "a difference without a difference" - something that is perceptible but which doesn't improve the pleasure derived in any meaningful way)

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The problem with audio in general is that its really difficult to find decent reviews of the product. I used to work as a tech in a recording studio (along with a theatre and TV studio) We have a set of nearfield speakers, and that was about it. However audio reviews are basically: "Its got punchy bass" and "sounds a bit woolly" or "has brilliant clarity in the upper regions" are about as descriptive as review get. N…

It's "funny" how sometimes the "audiophile" equipment people use for hearing music is way more expensive (not better, necessarily) than the equipment used to record said music. Particularly cables. How come an "audiophile" balanced XLR cable is 10 times more expensive (or more) than the ones used to connect the mics in the original recording, even when using the best Mogami cable, Neutrik plugs and paying somebody fo…

urgh, Cables.

because the studios were pretty well booked, we had a fair few repair jobs. Cables break, normally its where they are soldered into the XLR. From what I could tell, the main difference between cheap and expensive cables was the amount of string that was bundled into the core along with the actual cable. I suspect now is both string and the woven sheathing on the outside.

sure some were copper, others were aluminium coated in copper (although they broke more often, I'm not sure because copper is more ductile and AL just stress fractures, or because they were really cheap and shoddy)

They all sounded the same, apart from when we used phantom power on long cables. Then sometimes they turned into microphones. You didn't notice it unless you were in the theatre, and people would accidentally stand or kick the cable, making a massive thud.

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I built my own speakers for under $200 and I honestly think they are some of the best I've ever heard for a personal setup. They were inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKIye4RZ-5k (Tech Ingredients) . I built the speakers from foam board, the subwoofer from car audio parts and the amp is a standard class D amp. The best part is whenever someone comments on how good my speakers sound I can say I built them m…

Were there any guides or tutorials you followed? 20 years ago or so, I knew someone who built their own speaker cabinets and I couldn’t believe DIY speakers could match companies that spent hundreds millions on audio engineering. I’ve heard enough anecdotes that I would be interested in learning more.

No one spends hundreds of millions on audio engineering. Or at least, not at achieving the best audio experience. The company that spends the most on audio R&D are probably Bose, and their whole goal is to produce speakers that look good and sound acceptable.

The reason DIY audio gear matches really expensive factory built gear, is that the secret to good sounding audio is good sounding speakers, and good sounding speakers are heavy and big, and have intricate cones made out of expensive materials. Imagine how expensive it is to manufacture such a thing and have it marketed and shipped, and you'll realise they need large margins on something that's already expensive. Combine that with that the actual construction of speakers is very simple anyone could it do with a basic set of woodworking tools, not to mention that many people enjoy doing it as a hobby.

Of course good amplifiers are also part of the story, but their development is a sort of by product of the computer industry, as better transistors has generally meant better amplifiers, with class D amplifiers basically being the state of the art right now.

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