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iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by joshstrange »

thebitstick wrote: post #214
joshstrange wrote: post #149

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> Knowing apple they're going to be another avenue to lock in. I mean it's just Webauthn under the hood, I'd bet money you can export them from keychain into another tool like 1Password or similar.

Time to pay up! Exporting is impossible on Apple's implementation of Passkeys. Even exporting your entire keychain of passwords doesn't result in any WebAuthn keys, just standard passwords. Tested on macOS 13 and iOS 16 betas. I sincerely doubt this will change with the official releases. Google's implementation is probably the same. Microsoft hasn't done a thing yet to support passkeys besides what Edge and Windows…

Interesting, I’m not running the betas and I searched a bunch before I posted and couldn’t find it mentioned one way or the other. I hope that changes sometime in the future, though I only use 1Password anyways.

> Time to pay up!

What’s your favorite charity?

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by antipaul »

bnt wrote: post #16

Next to CarPlay it says "Vehicle announcement coming in late 2023" - what is this related to? Showing car-related information in CarPlay, or are they announcing a car of their own?

Late 2023 is when they will announce the list of cars that support this radical expansion of CarPlay to encompass the whole dashboard, as in the image

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by Jtsummers »

layer8 wrote: post #211
GloriousKoji wrote: post #131

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As a lover of the original SE and a a Mini 13 owner the HUGE increase in thickness is what really bothers me with the size change. Their official thickness spec only measures the main body of the phone which is virtually a zero change in size but the camera bump makes it's thickest point about 50% thicker.

It’s also markedly heavier. Despite the nominal size increase being small, the feel is totally different.

I guess 25% heavier sounds substantial, but a change from 4 oz to 5 oz is not that big. (113g -> 140g)

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Post by highwaylights »

Otek wrote: post #200
highwaylights wrote: post #198

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Yeah but if they’re not guaranteeing security updates then you still can’t rely on it. Which sucks. I don’t really get it either. You want to charge a premium for your handsets, why not let there be a secondary market all the way down the value chain for prices below where you want to go? It just means you’re selling more iCloud services and locking people in that way so that when they finally do need that upgrade it…

Could you elaborate? I genuinely don’t understand what you mean

Apple might release an emergency patch for an old device, but it’s not safe for you to keep using that device unless they’re committing to support the device with security patches on an ongoing basis.

I think they should support even very old iPhones with updates because:

1) They can’t afford to make an iPhone for $50.

2) Even if they could, they don’t want to make a $50 iPhone because it would be terrible and the margin minimal.

3) Supporting old phones allows a second-hand market for iPhones to thrive in the Chinese-Android-phone-bargain price tier where Apple can’t compete with new devices (this is in fact already the case given that there’s a used market for old iPhones).

4) Once someone buys (e.g. an iPhone 6S) used for $50 you can immediately start making them an iCloud customer for recurring revenue.

tldr; I think Apple views used device sales as a lost purchase for them instead of the massive subsidy that it is in terms of the cost associated with onboarding a new customer. (Apple should be overjoyed that someone is willing to sell a first-time prospective Apple customer an iPhone 6S for $50. The factory couldn’t make them the phone wholesale for that price, and it gets someone into the ecosystem).

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Post by Spivak »

PassageNick wrote: post #136
thefourthchime wrote: post #120

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I imagine you'll have the option to still have a password, for those that aren't concerned about Apple lock it'll be a nice benefit.

That would kind of defeat the purpose, no?

No? At least not for convenience. On my phone, instant login, anywhere else, enter password.

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Post by tptacek »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #210
nabakin wrote: post #176

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Being rude and insulting, I'm sure. Read the guidelines for comments, your comment violates almost all of the top rules. > Be kind . Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. > Eschew…

>Being rude and insulting, I'm sure. And exact which part was rude and insulting? > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. > Eschew flamebait > Please don't post shallow di…

Fair question. Easy answer. If it's some random HN user, then maybe it's rule lawyering. If it's 'dang, it's not.

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Post by alwillis »

Jtsummers wrote: post #21
alwillis wrote: post #18

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Apparently, the reason Apple dropped support for iPhone 7 is performance on the new lock screen. It’s more likely the fact the iPhone 7 only has 2GB of RAM and two cores, not to mention missing the Neural Engine, the image processor and other features on Apple’s latest SoCs that iOS 16 requires for some of its features. Most of major features of iOS 16 would have to be removed to run on an iPhone 7.

I was looking at that, the iPhone 8 (supported) has a 6-core CPU, 4 high efficiency cores, but also 2GB of RAM in the plain iPhone 8, 3GB in the Plus. So if it's anything, it'll be in the GPU or the 2 extra cores, that marks the critical differentiator for performance.

But even the iPhone 8 doesn’t support all of the features of iOS 16:

* Live Text

* can’t send emojis in iMessage using Siri

* can’t ask Siri about apps

* offline Siri support for HomeKit, Intercom, Voicemail

* being able to smoothly switch between voice and typing when using dictation

* adding medications using the camera

* Door Detection in Magnifier

* Image search in more apps

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Post by christophilus »

GeekyBear wrote: post #212
highwaylights wrote: post #198

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Yeah but if they’re not guaranteeing security updates then you still can’t rely on it. Which sucks. I don’t really get it either. You want to charge a premium for your handsets, why not let there be a secondary market all the way down the value chain for prices below where you want to go? It just means you’re selling more iCloud services and locking people in that way so that when they finally do need that upgrade it…

>if they’re not guaranteeing security updates then you still can’t rely on it As opposed to Google only offering two years of OS updates and an additional three years of security updates after that on the Pixel 6? Sorry, but every single flagship iPhone since 2011 has gotten between five and seven years of OS updates. Then there are additional years of security updates after that. For example, the $399 OG iPhone SE g…

Google is absurd. Apple is just bad.

My laptops (Linux) last until they die, and it takes a long time for them to die. I’d love a phone that does that.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #108
m3kw9 wrote: post #35

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E waste, no no don’t throw it out. You can use 99% of the apps even without ios16. It’s only when individual app developers phase out support for ios15 typically 2-3 years after. Facebook, YouTube etc still supports even iOS 12

Actually, you can download the newer version of an app on a newer iphone and then download a version that works on the old iphone from the Purchased page. Apple makes it difficult but keeping my iPhone 5S is still going years after iOS 12 is no longer "cool"

I'm impressed by how long you kept it going! My iPhone 5 and 6 were still going until last year.

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Post by derefr »

clamprecht wrote: post #112
derwiki wrote: post #95

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Buy a Twilio number that forwards to your real number. Then whoever has that number can call it, and it will ring you from the known Twilio number. Add to address book and voila!

Do spammers not call Twilio numbers?

I don't know about calls, but I definitely get spam SMSes on my persistent Twilio SMS numbers.
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