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Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by [deleted] »

nhance wrote: post #109
babypuncher wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think nhance was trying to say that Apple is evil, they are expressing a desire not to get sucked into Apple's ecosystem. Samsung's ecosystem lacks the breadth of Apple's and isn't nearly as good at creating vendor lock-in.

Correct. Apple products work well together, but also make it a huge pain in the ass if you don't buy everything from them. The kids have apple products and we can't manage them effectively because we don't have apple devices. This provides a strong disincentive to want to give them any more money. Samsung was only mentioned because are there any other real competitors to a full smart watch? Garmin will likely keep me…

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Re: Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by substation13 »

alberth wrote: post #114

People are getting hung up on battery life. You have to realize Apple is creating the equivalent of the luxury Mercedes G-Wagon for off-roading, when in reality a Jeep Rubicon (Garmin) addresses all of your real needs at 1/3 the price.

Apple Watch Ultra is the watch I would still want to use off the trail.

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Post by substation13 »

This would actually be a great fit for my "adventures":

- Running for around 5 hours

- Cycling multiple days but with a dynamo + battery packs

The appeal of this over a Garmin etc. is that this has a far better UI and is more suited to 90% of the time when I'm not outdoors but at the office etc.

Maybe we need to compare the price point to buying both a basic smart watch and a basic fitness watch?

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Post by alberth »

substation13 wrote: post #222
alberth wrote: post #114

People are getting hung up on battery life. You have to realize Apple is creating the equivalent of the luxury Mercedes G-Wagon for off-roading, when in reality a Jeep Rubicon (Garmin) addresses all of your real needs at 1/3 the price.

Apple Watch Ultra is the watch I would still want to use off the trail.

Exactly. Just like how people buy trucks and never haul anything, or a g-wagon and never go off-roading.

Garmin is targeting the actual market of consumers who are going deep outdoors. Apple is targeting the much bigger market of everyone else.

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Post by as_bntd »

nickthegreek wrote: post #98
arberx wrote: post #21

Apple is missing the mark in this segment. Their competitors: Garmin, coros all offer weeks of battery life with tradeoffs people in this segment happily make. I get 20 days of battery life on my coros pace 2. Charging a apple watch every night or two would not be acceptable.

I don't think they missed the mark by shear amount of these I see on wrists everywhere i go.

*sheer amount I had to double check tbf

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Post by substation13 »

alberth wrote: post #224
substation13 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Watch Ultra is the watch I would still want to use off the trail.

Exactly. Just like how people buy trucks and never haul anything, or a g-wagon and never go off-roading. Garmin is targeting the actual market of consumers who are going deep outdoors. Apple is targeting the much bigger market of everyone else.

Not quite.

I'm an occasional outdoors person. A device with most of the Garmin features that is also a really good smartwatch for the everyday, which is 90% of my time, does appeal. A Garmin would collect dust for most of the year.

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Post by Hapa »

I am actually thinking about switching from Garmin to Apple. I use smartwatch mostly for health tracking, partially as a smart watch and to help me train for half marathons.

Garmin is generally good but there are two issues:

1. Sleep and Hearth Rate tracking - it's still a bit hard for me to believe(am I missing something?) that Apple with Watch OS 9 seem to have much better sleep and hearth rate tracking (which Vo2max, HRV and other things are based on). Plus at least for me on Venu 2 watch GPS when running tend be really iffy , when running in small city with 5 floor buildings at most

2. App ecosystem - I don't really mind UX of Garmin it's ok for me. The issue is that I like to listen to podcasts and Garmins Spotify app is pretty bad at synchronisation. - The main app have bunch of things which are either useless (like insights), are often imprecise (Stress measurements) or are clumsy to use (setting up custom workouts through Web UI, strength training app) - I am bit capture by Apple now so I expect to get other marginal benefits with Apple - Access to data, there are only Apps integrating with Garmin and it's not really possible to create your own to have a full access to the API - garmin pay not as supported as apple pay in my area

The biggest challenge for me was always mainly the battery life and price to a degree - Ultra obviously doesn't really solve it. - I am hoping that annoyance of charging will be balanced out by more smooth experience - I don't like to wear my Garmin all day especially when just sitting behind the pc (maybe I just need a different band?) so charging might not be such a big deal, expect for travelling.

And as for a price I have same problem as I have with Fenix or Epix, I would pay for stuff I will never use. If only Apple Watch 8 would get the extra battery, battery GPS and extra button, but ou well.

So Apple would me to - get more of my runs without phone (thanks to apple pay, easy podcast sync, audible app) - more precise healthy tracking - bit better experience thanks to 3rd party and my reliance on Apple

or maybe I am just got convinced by marketing and try to justify it to my self :)

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Post by alden5 »

nunez wrote: post #165

i think the more annoying thing about this watch is that they used this as the replacement for the Edition line. This means that you HAVE to get this if you want a watch with a titanium case.

yea they really just removed a whole product category, the only difference between the series 7 & 8 is a temperature sensor and better accelerometer, i bet they'll be alot of people seeking out titanium series 7's just like how people still seek out ceramic series 5's

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Post by solardev »

killjoywashere wrote: post #175
lukeinator42 wrote: post #92

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I totally agree with you as well. I currently have a Garmin Fenix 6 pro and it lasts around 14 days. As someone who is into trail running and backpacking, a 36 hour battery life is untenable, and charging it every night seems like a pain. The irony is that AirPods have a really great battery life (especially the carrying case) despite the small form factor, and are my go-to for long runs.

The real irony of the charge-at-night model is that you miss the single biggest source of error in human life: lack of sleep. Accurate sleep measurement is, on a day-to-day basis, far more valuable than many of the features advertised on this system. That said, the red night vision setting, dive computer capability, and the iPhone's satellite messaging capability are pretty awesome. Combined with the ability for the…

> imagine a commander in Ukraine, for example, being able to manage his troops' sleep through basic watchstander schedule modifications

This. This is how they will beat Putin. Sleep apps.

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