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At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

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Post by greedo »

ryan93 wrote: post #66
arcticbull wrote: post #18

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The reality is that there are so many crimes in the United States that the set itself is uncountable. There have been a number of attempts to count. I guarantee you that you have, today alone, accrued enough legal liability to put you away for the rest of your life. Part of what makes this difficult to even count in the first place are bills like the Lacey act which makes it a felony for you to violate any other coun…

I haven't committed any violent crimes nor have most people. A substantial number of prisoners have. In fact countless murderous and rapist criminals go free.

Countless murderous(sic)...go free.

Of course that's just your opinion, with no link to back it up. I tend to follow the information where I see police abuse, the abuse of rights by the courts/prosecutors, etc etc. You want to blow your mind? Follow a guy named Greg Doucette on the bird app. He routinely lists the violations of civil rights by authorities. It might open your mind.

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Post by tluyben2 »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #137
superchroma wrote: post #130

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It can't work. Prisons in places like Indonesia and the Philippines are objectively degrading and inhumane. That's not winning, and that's not a working system. That's focusing on one aspect of a greater whole at the expense of our humanity. America has had more than a fair go at a heavy handed anti-drug policy and it was and continues to be a spectacular failure. To sit here at the end of it and say that they didn't…

I was thinking more about Japan, Singapore, China, Taiwan.

Outside Japan (I haven’t been there often enough to know), the others it’s definitely not true. It is easy to get, many people use, foreigners and natives. I got offered (I stick to beer) on many business meetings. It’s not so public probably, but what does that say?

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Post by williamscales »

hef19898 wrote: post #177
shakezula wrote: post #92

Years ago, I got a speeding ticket. I worked nights at the time, and the office to make the payment at had very strange hours because it was from a tiny town. My schedule made it difficult to make it over to the office during open hours, and one of the times I tried it was closed randomly over lunch because again, small town. (I learned later there was only one person who ran the whole office.) A day after my speedin…

You cannot pay your tickets by wiring the money?

No? As far as I know that is not a thing in the US. Sometimes you can pay by credit card, but that's a more recent thing.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

germinalphrase wrote: post #210
pleb_nz wrote: post #191

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Your bank app doesn't have shortcuts to pay fines and taxes?

Is that a thing… anywhere?

Yes, in NZ :)

You can also pay them by credit or debit card online, but there is a small processing fee for doing so.

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Post by lostlogin »

Akronymus wrote: post #168
culi wrote: post #121

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> [Fentanyl contributed] to some of the worst riots in recent history is this satire?

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Can you explain what you mean? I’m can’t see what you are referring to at all and must be missing something huge.

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Post by tluyben2 »

yywwbbn wrote: post #180
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #94

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Plenty of countries, especially in Asia, but also the UAE and possibly others, have successfully stopped nearly all drug use and trade with heavy-handed policies. You may not like what it took to get done, but it did work. I'm not advocating for the heavy-handed approach, but it's intellectually dishonest to say that it can't work. Also, the other countries have done it with a much smaller imprisonment per capita.

Religious and social taboos might have helped as well. > have successfully stopped nearly all drug use and trade with heavy-handed policies. Like Indonesia for instance? It has one of the strictest drug laws in the world supposedly. Yet 70% of the people imprisoned in the country were convicted of drug related crimes. They had this policy for many years, yet this is what their president said a few years back: On July…

> Also around 2% of all people in the country are active drug users.

And where do they get that statistic… the reality will be higher I think.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

shakezula wrote: post #92

Years ago, I got a speeding ticket. I worked nights at the time, and the office to make the payment at had very strange hours because it was from a tiny town. My schedule made it difficult to make it over to the office during open hours, and one of the times I tried it was closed randomly over lunch because again, small town. (I learned later there was only one person who ran the whole office.) A day after my speedin…

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Post by echelon »

culi wrote: post #124
tmpz22 wrote: post #40

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There are over 2 MILLION prisoners in the US prison population of a population of 330M. This gives the USA the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world. The next four? * Rwanda * Turkmenistan * El Salvador * Cuba [1]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarcera...

25% of the world's prison population is in the US, a country that makes up 4.25% of the world's population Land of the free

I wonder what percentage are in jail for gun-related crimes. The easy availability of guns is one thing that distinguishes America from other advanced economies.

Edit: I found a variety of sources that suggest 18% of state and 15% of federal prisoners. Nowhere near as high as I was expecting.

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Post by nickdothutton »

yywwbbn wrote: post #211
nickdothutton wrote: post #174

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Incredible. Almost all of the money saved could be either returned to the taxpayer, or used to build houses for the poor on the 127 prison sites.

I’m pretty sure most British courts would consider it illegal to house prisoners in such conditions as are prevalent in most Turkish prisons. And if reducing costs is your only goal. Well there are other options to get rid of criminals.. Or you could just them as free labor to build those house for the poor.

Turkey was an example, as was Greece, of a cheaper provider. The dividend would not be purely financial. It would be almost 130 large sites upon which to build housing for the poor. Conditions in UKs prisons have been internationally condemned. It would be an opportunity to improve conditions for the incarcerated, save money, and provide housing for the poor on reclaimed sites.
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