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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Building a new laptop from scratch is time-taking and costly. So Framework may rightly be spending their time on optimising product, reducing cost and reaching more countries.

Linus said he put them in touch and they haven't even spoken to each other. It's going to take time, but they aren't even engaging at the moment...

small companies have less resources?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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I suppose you mostly know ppl who run linux as their primary os then? Certainly in web dev all macs have been extremely popular.

As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans…

You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Let’s remember AMD was absolute garbage for like 10 years until around 2016, when they finally bounced back. And they were getting closer and closer to bankruptcy, having to flog the silver - their fabs and even their campus. I’d say the Zen design and tsmc saved them (or Lisa Su and Keller). Intel is in a better position financially than AMD was, and could catch up again. I tend to think it depends a lot on the orga…

Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Linus said he put them in touch and they haven't even spoken to each other. It's going to take time, but they aren't even engaging at the moment...

small companies have less resources?

Which is why it will take time… but they are not even entertaining the idea.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.

Our macs get admin.

I sudo turn off the garbage and I haven’t been caught yet.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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As someone who uses Linux daily and generally dislikes macOS, I got all my Linux tools up and running on macOS, Docker runs well and many Linux things I run on an external cluster. So I am content. The macOS UI is bit annoying and the fact that you have to install tiny apps like to have a separate trackpad and mouse scrolling direction is not ideal, but yeah it's all dwarfed by the fact I finally can't hear any fans…

You don’t need separate apps to set scrolling directions for the trackpad and external nice. It’s all in System Preferences.

They're separate tickboxes yes, but if you tick one it ticks the other.

At least it did when I still used macOS on portables. Now I only have a mini left for work

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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How much corporate garbage on it, though?

Out of curiosity, and aside from Teams which I'm already sadly familiar with, what software is it that you're talking about? Company I work for was just bought by some megacorp, but I'm still using my own 2019 13" MBP for now.

Mcafee and VMware carbon black can fully consume a computer.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

World of Warcraft has a native ARM64 build, and that's the only game I care about.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. Very different from the goals of framework. There aren't any vendors offering M1 competitors either.

> Apples M1 only worked because everything is in one chip. That’s not true in any way?

Could you elaborate why it isn't the case?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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How is M1 for game dev? I've been thinking of getting one for my own personal laptop, but have had a few concerns, mostly just due to the issues of building software on a totally different platform to the majority of your target users (which'll be Windows, x86). I used to have some compatibility worries but I'd guess they've gone away now.

If you are using a game engine like Unity you should not worry at all. If you need to access Windows specific APIs, of course it is a different story. A Macbook is a perfect machine for developers: you can build for android and iOS, has a great screen, perfect touchpad, finally fixed keyboard and ports.

What are the specs of your machine? If you've tried them, how have have other engines such as Unreal fared? Do you primarily do 2D or 3D development? How long are the build times?
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