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Re: Productivity porn

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Post by wizofaus »

ravenstine wrote: post #185
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #105

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I get that this is satire but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" (which I feel your satirical comment alludes to?) You're "taking the piss" at people who value working hard/long hours, reading, trying to be successful financially, taking care of their health/fitness, cutting ties with loser friends (drug addicts? bums?)

Not who you're replying to, but the problem I see with productivity porn is that it completely ignores the luck involved in success. We all have agency, but some people will work more hours and take more ice baths than everyone else and still end up poor and irrelevant. Some people are better off realizing they don't have "it" and taking a more relaxed approach to life.

A good deal of that luck probably occurs at the point of conception too.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

nicbou wrote: post #41

Here is a really pleasant video with a similar message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz4YqwH_6D0 A writer writes. A painter paints. You are not defined by what you want or prepare for, but by what you do . On the other hand, you don't have to spend every waking hour being productive. You can go on a bicycle ride without measuring speed and distance. You can work on things that won't develop into income streams. No…

I hustle but I timebox it. Figure out the hours/week it deserves. Less is sometimes better. The cliche of the shower idea is true. And if you are productive all the time there is no time for your brain’s webworkers to do their thing.

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Post by GuB-42 »

leokennis wrote: post #115
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that this is satire but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" (which I feel your satirical comment alludes to?) You're "taking the piss" at people who value working hard/long hours, reading, trying to be successful financially, taking care of their health/fitness, cutting ties with loser friends (drug addicts? bums?)

I’m not qualified to comment on the health factor. In general striving to be healthy is good, no contest there. But regarding working those long and hard hours (which then cannot be spent on other things) maybe we should heed the advice of the dying: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-fiv... > 2. I wish I hadn't worked so hard. > > "This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed th…

I don't believe in regrets.

Regrets are a made up fiction.

As an example, let's talk about the "I missed my children's youth". You imagine an alternative life where you would have spent more time with your children, most likely idealized. But in reality, maybe it wouldn't have been a better life. You did things when you weren't with your children, some of them good things or at least leading to good things, these would be lost in your alternate life. And is it that much a difference seeing your children 4 hours instead of 2, maybe it will just make you regret not having 6 hours, a problem is if you are framing your alternative life in the context of your real life.

You only have one life, you can't see alternate realities, you don't know which are the better ones. But one thing for sure, if you regret "not living true to yourself", rest assured, nothing is more true than the life you actually lived, it is in these alternate realities that you are not yourself.

Don't take advise from the dying, take advise from the living. If someone has decided to spend more time with his children and feels better now, it can be valuable advise, because it is real life, not a fiction.

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Post by idrios »

ravi-delia wrote: post #204
the_af wrote: post #139

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This video is hilarious (like many on that channel). What cracks me up is the little jokes you can miss unless you pause some frames, like "...but not before I read my blogs" --> "What Ancient Mayans Can Teach You About Living Your Best Life" "and journal about creativity" --> "sleep retrospective, epiphanies: 0"

The production value is just immaculate. Every frame is so clearly meticulously constructed to portray the emptiest imaginable life. A man going nowhere at maximum speed, really more of an absence than a man. It's so very close to being too painful to be funny, and I've never even believed in the grind. Just pity for a wretched soul.

Probably the most production value they put into a video was their Virtual Coachella one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=67sfZfreOrU

Which has way fewer views than it deserves, possibly for algorithm reasons because it was given a cease & desist by actual Coachella https://mobile.twitter.com/EFF/status/1373006482397032449

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Post by azemetre »

tamsaraas wrote: post #95
LordHeini wrote: post #31

I really don't get any of those "be more productive", book, video, course and so on. Every single person I know just wastes their time with that. Usualy they work long hours and still don't get much done. But hey, they have Zettelkasten with things the never read. A to do list with stuff they never do. And they go out in the morning at 5 for jogging, while gulping down a liter of coffe or energy drinks which results…

You don't understand how the trick works. I am a person who fell for the bait thrown by info / "guides" sellers.2010-2015 - peak in my life of productivity. I was able to do damn a lot of things altogether. Fix challenging and complex bugs, implement modern and crazy stuff, etc. And my hobby project (game) became popular. Unfortunately, I did not use any GTD / todolists, etc. Maybe a tiny todo program like qtodotxt b…

I really enjoyed your post and glad you’re in a better state.

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Post by phatfish »

Trasmatta wrote: post #52
Yajirobe wrote: post #47

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Reminds me of this awesome video - The Hustle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7qjN3KF8U

The videos on that channel are so good that they're painful to watch, when you realize how closely it matches the life you're living. This one is my favorite (or "least favorite" depending on how hard it hits on any given day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYvhC_RdIwQ I feel like the people doing that channel could write a very effective modern Office Space.

Reminds me a bit of "The Website Is Down": https://www.youtube.com/c/jrwyt-thewebsiteisdown/videos

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Post by honkler »

ozim wrote: post #87
goatcode wrote: post #5

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I was disheartened when I read about all these successful people and their lofty advice. I was more disheartened when I realized their advice is just the random stuff they happened to do that on their path to success, and that equivalent advice of the myriad failures that complement them would never be heard (and that both were of approximately equal value). Despite how in the overmind the notion of "correlation is n…

You say you were disheartened. I bought and read Robert Kiyosaki - Rich Dad Poor Dad followed with Donald Trump - The Art of the Deal. After reading these I felt worse than at the time I was actually mugged on the street. I think I paid like $20 for both books and muggers got something like $15 I had on me.

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Post by TrackerFF »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #105
TrackerFF wrote: post #32

Hustle and grind. Create 7 streams of income. Work 18 hour days - anything less and you're a loser destined for mediocrity. Read 5 books a week. Start trading stocks and crypto. Take cold showers, hit the gym. Optimize your schedule, log every minute spent. Ditch your loser friends and only hang out with likeminded - success breeds success. Sigma grindset. Moon or bust. If you're not worth $1 million liquid before 30…

I get that this is satire but could you expand on why people who want to be healthy + productive "have it wrong" (which I feel your satirical comment alludes to?) You're "taking the piss" at people who value working hard/long hours, reading, trying to be successful financially, taking care of their health/fitness, cutting ties with loser friends (drug addicts? bums?)

Nothing wrong with living a healthy lifestyle (healthy diet, working out, taking care of your mental health) and being ambitious about your career.

But these brofluencers (Andrew Tate being the latest one) just regurgitate and compound the same ol' to new levels. They mostly cater to young, impressionable, and desperate kids - promising that if you just follow these easy steps, then luck will come your way. And the whole hustle porn community fetishizes working every single waking hour ("the grind") doing something that everyone else is doing - your edge is to basically worker harder and cheaper than anyone else.

It's always the same "bro, just start a drop-shipping business for passive income, create your own brand of [saturated market item], also do [FX/Crypto/options] day trading. It's all about grinding, I promise bro - but first, buy my super alpha prestige mentoring package for $3k" spiel.

And if you're not driving a lambo, living in a mansion with your super model by the age of 30, you just didn't hustle and grind hard enough.

These communities tend to obsess over things like productivity - everything to save up space for the grind.

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Post by paroneayea »

LordHeini wrote: post #31

I really don't get any of those "be more productive", book, video, course and so on. Every single person I know just wastes their time with that. Usualy they work long hours and still don't get much done. But hey, they have Zettelkasten with things the never read. A to do list with stuff they never do. And they go out in the morning at 5 for jogging, while gulping down a liter of coffe or energy drinks which results…

There's something to trying to figure out how to adjust your productivity structures to be more productive, and then eventually you hit a falloff in terms of where it stops helping.

This blogpost feels very ironic to me... I know I'm not the first to point it out, that the blogpost's obsession with a feeling of productivity is just way too meta given the blogpost itself, but the point where about 5 self-help resources are all quoted is the point where the whole thing started to feel a bit doomed to me.

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Post by Retric »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #187
Retric wrote: post #173

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It's really tempting to assuming the things you think are important are what actually result in success. Nobody sees all the possible lives they could have had. Daily jogging seems like a healthy choice when you wheren’t hit by a car etc etc. Add in all the actual lying and it's easy to get an incredibly distorted view of reality.

Avoiding jogging (in lieu of gaining obesity/any various degree of issues that come from lack of exercise) in fear of getting hit by a car seems irrational, wouldn't you agree? You should strive for "perfect". If "perfect" is healthy and healthy means go for a run (with risks), you have to weigh it against the alternative (don't run, be unhealthy).

That's hardly the only options.

If you want to give useful advice it’s worth considering what might happen to those reading it not just your lucky history of avoiding problems. Avoiding jogging outside in favor of a treadmill is a net increase in safety without negative health impacts. Replacing it with an elliptical further reduces risks etc.

On the other hand if you want sell a lifestyle then treadmills etc are boring. Which is why a major reason so much popular advice is terrible.

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