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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by hi5eyes »

hi5eyes wrote: post #190
nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

Very evidently exposing children to toxicity like 4chan/racist gaming chatrooms is harmful to development, why would it be any different when letting them watch anything on their phones Normalize keeping children away from the obscene and stop letting grown adults normalize exposing weird shit to children, should be obvious innit

It used to be frowned upon to let them watch violent movies, hence the rating system for media, as it was common sense that more exposure to violence has a bad influence and normalizes it.. but now we live in clown world

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

anotherman554 wrote: post #191
jrm4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

Medical diagnosis are man made labels created by committee. If I say having blond hair is a medical condition then I can absolutely do a falsifiable test of whether you have blond hair. So the issue isn't so much falsifiability per see but instead the whether you trust the judgement of people who decide what is "normal" or "not normal".

Diagnoses are defined through research. The committee part is just about updating diagnostic manuals to reflect current consensus. New diagnoses need to be proven to be distinct entities(i.e not redundant) and clinically meaningful. And they specifically need to have a diagnostic test. Having blond hair has a diagnostic test, sure, but that diagnostic test does not in itself constitute a distinct, clinically useful diagnosis. Of course hair colour can change due to medical conditions, but then the hair colour would obviously be just one symptom of some set of conditions that may have caused it.

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Post by prewett »

anoonmoose wrote: post #194
maxsilver wrote: post #146

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According to the first Google result on the topic, "In 2020, 47% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque", which means that your "average American" is not actually reflective of the average American.

And those going to synagogues or mosques aren't Christian, either...

In 2021, only 41% of people claimed to attend a church or synagogue at least once a month [1]

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/245491/church-attendance...

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Post by Kye »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

Cringe forums inevitably select for the worst examples. You find the worst in any subset of humanity.

I know plenty of plural systems. They're just people who happen to also be people. Nothing exceptional one way or another. They're rocket scientists, sysops, janitors, baristas, etc. Just like anyone else.

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Post by solumunus »

maxsilver wrote: post #146
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

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Both are silly indeed.

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Post by falcolas »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #129
devmor wrote: post #37

My question is: Does this actually matter? Does this have a lasting impact or do the kids simply move on with no negative changes to their lives? I remember thinking a lot of dumb stuff as a teenager. Just because I thought it doesn't mean it was bad that I did.

It certainly matters: Many kids watching TikTok also start imagining wrong things about their sexuality. Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Turns out most of it is absolute imagination yet many start to undergo hormone therapy etc immediately. There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage…

> start imagining ... things about their sexuality

So they're exploring their sexuality, and you think this is wrong? I remember questioning my sexuality as a teenager... in the 90's, long before the internet functionally existed for me.

> imagining wrong things ... biological, empirical nonsense

Oh. Nevermind. You've already decided to cast normal behavior and questions as immoral, so I'll never change your mind.

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Post by MichaelCollins »

maxsilver wrote: post #146
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

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A few people have drawn parallels to religion in this thread, but I'm not sure if you're trying to use the example of religion to refute the idea of socially transmissible mental illness, or to prove it. To me, it seems to prove it. It's perhaps easiest to see in the more extreme and wacky manifestations, like "speaking in tongues", although it's hard to gauge how earnest those people are and how much is an "emperor's new clothes" situation. Do they really believe that speaking in tongues is real, or do they fake it to fit in? Maybe it's a distinction without a difference.

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Post by martin_bech »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

Fashion has moved on, so the anorexic has been largely replaced with bikini fitness. This is not a joke. You will also find that among bikini fitness athletes, you will find a lot who have been previously anorexic.

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Post by germinalphrase »

thenerdhead wrote: post #54
freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

At first I thought you were talking about the popular “family” theory of the mind. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Mode... But now after clicking these links I’m reminded why I stay on the surface of the internet.

FWIW - Internal Family Systems has been a very helpful therapeutic tool for someone I know suffering from Childhood PTSD.

It has nothing to do with... whatever this TikTok/Social Media thing is.

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Post by falcolas »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #205
falcolas wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone being able to fake an illness does not signify that the illness does not exist. You can fake chronic back pain, migraines, suicidal tendencies, and so on. That doesn't make any of them any less real.

I'm responding to the claim that it's easy for doctors to falsify a false claim of ADHD from somebody who's drug seeking and has been coached online to say the right things to the doctor. This doesn't seem to be the case. ADHD may be real, but doctors seem to have a hard time distinguishing people who actually have it from people who just want the drugs and know what to tell the doctor because they watched a bunch of…

Again, this is not unique to ADHD. None of those other things I mentioned can be detected by a chemical analysis either.

And morphine is as big - if not bigger - problem than amphetamines.

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