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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by throw_m239339 »

noSyncCloud wrote: post #30
Sakos wrote: post #8

> But there’s also a larger thing here where Twitter apparently has moderation tools so powerful that they can immediately trigger bans for things other than what they’re actually looking for. The actual execution leaves a lot to be desired here, but the itchy trigger finger cannot be denied. Somehow they can do this, but racial slurs are generally pretty okay, white supremacy is largely ignored, and every Twitter tr…

Same thing on Reddit. You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), but get banned for calling it out.

> Same thing on Reddit. You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), but get banned for calling it out.

Yeah, you'd have to link to that comment that went unmoderated. Given how petty reddit mods are about identity politics on main subs, I'd wager that this sort of speech doesn't fly there...

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Post by lapcat »

edanm wrote: post #213
lapcat wrote: post #135

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No. And that's why Twitter should not exist as a company. If they were legally required to have human moderation, they would go out of business. And IMO the world would be better off.

I think if the phone companies can't monitor every conversation to make sure no one is planning a crime, they're clearly not actually able to scale in a correct manner and therefore we shouldn't have phones. (Obviously a different situation, but by what principle is it different?)

> Obviously a different situation, but by what principle is it different?

The principle is that one is a public conversation, and the other is private.

Private conversations between two people should not be moderated. Twitter should not auto-moderate Direct Messages, and they don't AFAIK.

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Post by WatchDog »

srvmshr wrote: post #177
noSyncCloud wrote: post #30

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Same thing on Reddit. You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), but get banned for calling it out.

Reddit admins are part of the problem in addition to the users. I actively used to participate in r/machinelearning with long posts & explanations, but the admins show often some favoritism to their buddy posters & I have seen good posts get called out or viciously dissed by regulars. Everyone seems to have an 'active duty Superman' complex desperate to pounce on each other & prove them wrong. The sarcasm is toxic be…

Not to detract from your story, but it sounds like you are talking about subreddit moderators, not reddit admins. Subreddit moderators are unpaid and only control content on the subreddits they moderate, whereas admins are reddit employees and have full administration powers.

There are problems that come from both of them, however moderators are often the petty power hungry types.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by safety1st »

ezoe wrote: post #198
safety1st wrote: post #143

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Here's a fun story. I see that this post is from fanbyte.com. Existing got me banned from fanbyte.com and all of the websites they own. Specifically, existing in a particular country. Not an exotic or unusual one on an embargo list or something -- just some country that Fanbyte felt they weren't earning enough profit from. They banned the entire populations of about ten countries from their entire network of websites…

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It's none of those countries homie, thanks for letting us know you hate random countries or whatever

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

emn13 wrote: post #186
JackFr wrote: post #158

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> If your friends and family are on Facebook, your work contacts across the country are on Twitter, the only forums left alive on the web are on Reddit, how can you not need them? You can absolutely step away from them and it’s not even hard. Call, text or email your friends and family. It’s far more intimate and frankly more satisfying. You lose the ability to broadcast a curated persona, but honestly in the grand s…

I did this for years. I regret it. It's overly simplistic to think this works well. The devil is in the details; and being a decent human being also means adapting to other's wishes, needs and habits. Being a small-scale dictator about modes of communication isn't great. You _will_ miss out of valuable personal communication if you choose to go this route. It's not just about an online curated persona.

I've been doing this since forever, and I don't feel I miss out on anything meaningful. Granted, I've never had that many friends to begin with, but the ones I do have haven't given me any trouble about not being on social media or whatever. In my experience these online platforms cater to shallow communications of dubious value.

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Post by simoncion »

Kiro wrote: post #40
atemerev wrote: post #4

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Good human reviews are, well, nearly impossible at the scale of Twitter or Google. It would require employing hundreds of thousands of reviewers, training them, and paying them decent salaries for one of the most horrible jobs in the world. So, everybody is trying to automate as much as possible in this area. I am sure that in this case, if there is a human even involved in the escalation, it takes them a few seconds…

Funny how you get downvoted for saying something everyone on HN agreed on when "Open Letter from Facebook Content Moderators" was published, with comments like "That is a simple problem for which Facebook should be able to apply existing technology. There is a lot Facebook can do, but they are not, because they are lazy.", calling for more automation and less traumatic moderation work.

I didn't agree on it. What likely happened was a bunch of excited folks wrote a whole bunch of words, and that volume gave the appearance of consensus.

Automated review is not good enough for services that are so large that they are de facto public squares. If the world were just, when you got that big, the rules would change to prohibit you from doing service-wide content filtering.

> ...calling for more automation and less traumatic moderation work.

Pay me 80% of what I would be making as a programmer (and keep up with changes in the market rate for programmers), and I'd be totally willing to do that moderation work. [0] There are _tons_ of people who have my intestinal fortitude out there... problem is that the enormous "social media" companies don't want to pay enough to get people who are well-suited for the work.

[0] You might counter with "Oh, well you can't _possibly_ imagine the things you'll see, you're all bluster and bravado and will quit within the month!". I'd counter with "Yeah, well you have no idea the things that I _have_ seen.".

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Post by throw_m239339 »

powerhour wrote: post #197
gruez wrote: post #160

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>You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), Are you sure you're not reading too much into it? Without context it's really hard to tell whether a use of "degenerate" literally means you want to genocide some group.

When folks call trans people "degenerate", as many are wont to do on reddit (and as reddit is well known for), it's probably safe to assume they're not just trying to be playful.

> When folks call trans people "degenerate", as many are wont to do on reddit (and as reddit is well known for), it's probably safe to assume they're not just trying to be playful.

Can you link to such comment that was left unmoderated on reddit despite being reported?

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Post by ratww »

b112 wrote: post #215
ratww wrote: post #77

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The real world is also a cesspool filled with crazy people and people trying to abuse the system (something analogous to bots). Also spammers and harassers. The difference is that on the real world public squares there’s no amplification effect that we have on those platforms, save for some very closely watched exceptions (politicians, celebrities). Also very little anonymity.

The real world is also a cesspool filled with crazy people and people trying to abuse the system (something analogous to bots No, the real world is an excellent place, filled with great people everywhere. There is no comparison with the twitter/facebook mob, where 99,99% of people strive for your attention, for monetary gain.

> No, the real world is an excellent place, filled with great people everywhere.

The internet is also filled with those same people. That includes Twitter and Facebook. The reason the bad ones are are extra loud in the internet is because some websites amplify their messages, whereas normal people don’t want the extra attention and prefer privacy.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Twitter is not the government? Twitter also is not really a public square, it's an advertiser-supported electronic press.

If I own a printing press, I have the freedom to print what I want, including what people send me, and I also can not print what I want, including what people send me. It's my press. Want different rules, get your own or use someone elses.

Because Twitter is a privately owned super-fast electronic press, administered at their whims, people should stop using it for things that matter unless they have an actual contract with the corporation. I don't rely on Twitter for anything other than entertainment.

The fact that people expect rights and meaning with advertiser-supported stuff given to them for free is what's harmful.

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