In a software engineer. My cousin is an electrical engineer working at a large power distribution firm. For all intents and purposes his job is absolutely critical to society. I basically fumble around and do a few projects for my clients. I get paid several times more than him. I am happy for myself but it makes no sense to me how society is mispricing our work.
Supply and demand is a cruel mistress. If power electronics could scale up to hundreds of millions of customers with relatively flat headcount and capital intensity you might see unicorns too.
Electrical engineers on the brink of extinction threaten entire tech ecosystems
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> My advice for the young who don't want to do what it takes to pursue their profession is to put in an application at McDonalds. Smiling and burger flipping is an honorable career too. If you actually think that you wouldn't write this condescendingly, these low effort comments with no source ("I know a guy") are beneath this forum.
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#223Kind of funny to see software people outearn them 10x these days. That's what gatekeeping does to you.
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If all you do is board-level integration of relatively low-speed stuff, then yes, SWE is more demanding. But that's not even the tip of the iceberg in the EE world. To name a few: high speed digital (Gbps+), ASIC (digital vs. mixed signal, RTL vs. physical design, ...), RF, precision analog, both very low and very high power, photonics, EMI... Each of these subjects require deep, arcane domain knowledge on top of phy…
The stuff about needing to know a lot more physics or arcane domain specific stuff isn't so true. If you talk to someone who's got pink sunglasses about SWE, they'll say a bunch of stuff in our industry is "arcane domain specific knowledge" to them. You're probably romanticising it too because it's a hoby of yours, which just leads to skwes in your perception. Source: studied EE, after realising I wouldn't like my ca…
EE is in a different ballpark, imagine if you had to explicitly pay attention to write software that didn't melt your CPU.
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I am trained in electronics. I love it. I have never stopped messing with electronics and microcontrollers over my whole life. (And how good is it these days with things like, the RISC-V ESP32 with wifi and cheap as chips, unreal little modules, for example measuring temperature to +/- 0.01C, air-born particles, radiation etc etc). This said, I doubt I could afford a comfortable life with a house and family in a majo…
I love electronics and circuit building. I’ve been told that the compensation is shockingly poor compared to that of software engineers. This didn’t affect my college experience, as I was already well into my SE career when I finished my degree. As I recall though, the course load was harder and the opportunities fewer. Incidentally, I had a friend who was an EE who went on to become a Patent attorney. He told me he…
The only real electronics roles I see outside the occasional advert for some of the bigger names maybe once every six months are uni roles paying 1/4 of the salary outside of unis (always boasting 18% Super/RRSP LOL)
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You might want to do some more research. DevOps is for sure one of the top paying engineering positions. I think the average salary right now is 134k a year USD.
Can confirm. Making ~$145k salary, with $40k in bonuses. This is with 3 years of experience in Full Stack Web Dev SWE, and zero years in DevOps (but some basic experience with containers, cloud, and general linux server config). I was hired as a Web App SWE, but was offered the chance to train in DevOps and took it, in order to grow additional skills. Full stack web apps are mostly CRUD. To learn the ecosystem around…
I'm doing almost exactly the same thing, with the exception that I spent less time as a full stack dev and I'm doing the DevOps for a dramatically lower salary.
I'm hoping to bump up to at least the national average (and remote would be nice) after completing the large projects laid out for the next year.
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#227Part of what's happening here may also relate to the fact that EE PhDs are dominated by international students (70-80%), compared to ~10% in CS undergrad. That gives companies a lot of negotiating power to drag down the average salary.
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I don’t really get this mentality. I love coding and want to share the things I love about it with other people. If I knew someone out there was teaching a freshman-level class and deliberately leaving a bad impression or scaring people off, I’d be pretty annoyed. I only took one programming class in college, which was designed as a weed-out class and it did succeed in weeding me out. Luckily I continued teaching mys…
I don't get the mentality that people think they're entitled to be coddled. By all means, if you disapprove of the way a university does things, don't enroll. You can be an engineer without college. You're free to start your own university, if your teaching is truly better and more rewarding to your students the free market will make you a rich man. Personally I'm glad there are places where academic rigor doesn't be…
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#229At least where I'm from, there is no shortage, it's all bullshit. Universities keep pumping out more EE grads than are needed. I guess it keeps supplies high.
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#230EEs are pretty far away from the money. That really impacts earning potential. Most EEs who went the traditional route and want to keep doing electronics in some form but make money become Field Application Engineers (FAEs) to get closer to the sale and show their value to the company. The crustiest old engineers are buried deep within a corporation and it's hard to show value on the bottom line. Similarly, the FAANG…
FAEs were seen as the lowest level support who were a stop-gap for our application engineers (non-field). If a big customer had a problem, we would send an AE out to show that we were taking it seriously. No idea if it's the same in other industries though. Application engineers weren't that we'll paid either.
Technical marketing and sales were paid well, but maybe this is a just a title thing (what you called FAE is what we called sales/marketing). Their salaries were predominantly sale/deal based bonuses though.
For people that actually developed the chips, analogue designers were the highest paid followed by digital designers. Then digital verification engineers, with verification engineer salary increasing very quickly. The salaries were shit compared to software though.
But now, talking to my friends still in the sector(doing design), competition is absolutely fierce and their salaries are increasing rapidly along with getting a lot more shares. There was a point where a senior analogue engineer could move to a graduate software position and make more money. Those days are gone now, and salaries are pretty close.
A friend interviewed for a hardware position at Apple and the salary was definitely SWE levels of high.