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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by waffleiron »

yessirwhatever wrote: post #79
paulette449 wrote: post #77

Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. It won't be long before we have to use some Johnny Dangerously-style [1] codes to order a veggie burger, the farging bastidges. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk

> Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. How so? I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.

>This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice.

Centuries old actually.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-sa...

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by cykros »

I understand banning the use of the word "steak". But sausage? Really? Maybe things are different in France, but last I checked sausage translated to "a bunch of stuff that may or may not be food stuff inside an intestine (or artificial casing)." Sure, usually animal product of some sort or other (hey, sometimes it's even pig or bovine!), but "meat"? I guess perhaps for the MOST generous uses of the word...

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by victorNicollet »

iRomain wrote: post #194
tpmx wrote: post #13

It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

So in French it could be: Steak végétal => Steakal or Stékal Saucisse végétale => Saucissal or Saucissal Done

The vegan community in France already uses names like "Faucisse" and "Fauxmage" based on "Faux + Saucisse" and "Faux + Fromage". I believe there's also "Vromage" (Vegan + Fromage).

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Post by tommit »

gfsdfdsafdsafdt wrote: post #212
tommit wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, every time I see these laws about how "consumers must not be tricked into thinking this liquid oat-based product is in fact not bovine titty juice", I think to myself surely there is no one actually falling for this. The viciousness in your comment makes it clear though, that it does affect you quite a bit.

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Well yeah, we opted for `milk` because it's easier and I do call it milk in my everyday usage if that comforts you. I did get caught up in the post I replied to though, so I apologize for using a degrading sounding name for milk.

My point is, milk is not as clear cut as you think it is: there is cow milk, goat milk, sheep's milk, coconut milk, in German we even have a type of cleaning product that we call a variation of milk (Scheuermilch) ... but almond milk is too much for the everyday consumer? Come on, at least be honest.

Also, yeah I'm sure I enjoyed my mother's titty juice, and I never thought I'd write that sentence. It was good enough for the time being and excellent in my development (I assume), but I have since evolved and moved on to other things without looking back. I'm sure there is a metaphor in there somewhere ...

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Post by explodingcamera »

hintymad wrote: post #66

Why do veg people want to advertise veg products with references to meat? I'd promote the unique or superior taste of my veg stuff, right? I don't want to eat meat in the first place, after all.

A lot of people eat vegan food because they don't want to kill animals, not because it tastes better...

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Post by pcthrowaway »

xdennis wrote: post #26
briandoll wrote: post #22

In the US, the dairy industry tried this and thankfully lost (in California): The Animal Legal Defense Fund represented Miyoko’s Kitchen in its challenge of unconstitutional restrictions placed on plant-based dairy products’ marketing and labeling Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She…

That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.

Please, no. Vegans already have to scan all the ingredients for nearly everything they buy with every purchase (yes, there are products labelled plant based that have animal products, "soy cheese" with caseine, etc.)

Accidentally buying a "sausage" that wasn't to your taste could have happened even if it was animal product based. If the status quo changes so that non-vegans need to start reading ingredients sometimes, or they might end up buying food that isn't enjoyable to them, that's a positive in my mind. People should be more conscious about "how the sausage is made" so to speak.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by pcthrowaway »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #209
xdennis wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.

> I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. I don't even know how that is possible unless one is extremely unattentive. In my experience, vegan and vegetarian substitute products are universally located in the specialty section of the grocer and nearly universally advertise their plant-based status prominently. These products cost more than the real thing, so why try to fool anyone into thinking they're real meat? Th…

To be fair, "Beyond" products (Beyond burgers, beyond sausage) require grocery stores that carry them to place them in the meat section (though the store may also place them with the vegan meats).

The idea is that people will get introduced to "close-tasting" plant-based meat alternatives, and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them, since they've been incredibly successful.

It's been 18 years since I've eaten real meat, so I'm perhaps not the best judge, but they seem very similar to me.

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Post by LunaSea »

HermanMartinus wrote: post #180
Ekaros wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to start product line "Beyond Vegan" with tag line of "better than vegan food" with Vegan word being very big. And then have it contain lot of meat. Entirely honest and not in any way misleading marketing. And no vegan should be able to complain.

I think this is misleading in the effect is has. Omnivores still eat non-meat products, but the inverse isn't true and is in-fact pretty fucked up (if the person being deceived believes that eating beef is akin to eating dogs). I agree that products shouldn't be deceptive, but this is a false dichotomy. More accurately the example should be "Beef Burger", then have it written in small "(dog meat)" as (at least in the…

Vegans are omnivores too.

They just happen to choose not to eat animal based products.

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Post by theplumber »

tpmx wrote: post #13

It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

They should be fined for misleading advertising.
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